Swazi - Davey’s semiautomatic stance .

I would rather fuck-start a porcupine than give that self righteous prick another cent

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Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Stop giving the parliamentary bozos ideas...

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they already have the idea, just need an excuse to push it through

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Originally Posted by Beavis

There was a shit storm on one of the FB pages regarding this, Davey himself commented on the thread and more or less doubled down on his stance. I can respect a man for not flip flopping. But as a result he will never see a dollar from me.

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you got a link to that thread?

I have some of the Swazi gear, will wear it until it shits itself and then in the bin. So far I've replaced with another more hunter supportive brand, which made the first hunting gear I bought in the 90's. SC have been around for a longtime.

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Originally Posted by erniec

He is entitled to his opinion.
I buy Swazi because it lasts.
I also every year have family buy me H&F vouchers for birthdays and Xmas.
I spend them and I guess most like me do.
How many of you were upset when defense force stopped buying from a NZ manufacturer?.

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The difference is the defence force has the freedom to buy its gear from NZ again if it wants to.
We will most likely never get to shoot the great guns again.
Such a fine past time has been decimated.

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Chris Cahill admitted to this. Semi and pump shotguns were spared because they were worried they might not get the whole thing over the line if they pissed off too many people. All it would take is another shooting with either and they're gone.

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this is why I wished they had gone for the lot.

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Originally Posted by GDMP

There is no problem with semi-auto rifles per se,with a small capacity internal magazine they are no more 'dangerous' than any other repeating rifle.The universal ban was based on politics not logic.Maybe the days of large detachable magazines are over but there was no need to just ban the lot outright like they did.And I am surprised there are so many shooters who can't see this rather obvious fact.

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Agreed, on what planet is a Browning BAR an assault rifle for taking on the masses? oh wait, this one apparently. As to the main thrust of this thread, NZ is not his market, so he actually doesn't give a fuck about kiwis anyway.

ANyone got the time to make a comprehensive list of ALL the cunts (businesses/organisations) who threw us under the bus?

I will spread that list like butter and push it harder than a drug dealer.

It needs to be consistently published and refreshed for years to exact a pittence of revenge on these mother fuckers.
If people like HnF and this Swazi idiot, Deerstalkers etc had used logic and held their tongue or supported us we might have stood at least a fair chance of being heard.

As it was, we all know how it went down.

I will never forget this shit.

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Originally Posted by 257weatherby

Agreed, on what planet is a Browning BAR an assault rifle for taking on the masses? oh wait, this one apparently. As to the main thrust of this thread, NZ is not his market, so he actually doesn't give a fuck about kiwis anyway.

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Does he push his swazi stuff in the states? if so some emails might get some effect over there.
Those yanks are not likely to support anyone who talks that kind of shit.

Viva le reveloution

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Originally Posted by 40mm

ANyone got the time to make a comprehensive list of ALL the cunts (businesses/organisations) who threw us under the bus?

I will spread that list like butter and push it harder than a drug dealer.

It needs to be consistently published and refreshed for years to exact a pittence of revenge on these mother fuckers.
If people like HnF and this Swazi idiot, Deerstalkers etc had used logic and held their tongue or supported us we might have stood at least a fair chance of being heard.

As it was, we all know how it went down.

I will never forget this shit.

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Main reason I won't buy Swazi is it's way too expensive for polarfleece. Then he moved production offshore. Then he threw us under the bus.

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Originally Posted by MB

An illogical decision from the government, no doubt to keep F&G/duck hunters on side.

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One thing I've never understood since moving to NZ.

How and hell does F&G have it so much more together than anybody else and why so much government support? Why are a pest fish and a bloody duck of all things so much holier than everything else released here as a game animal. The mind boggles.

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Originally Posted by Jt89

One thing I've never understood since moving to NZ.

How and hell does F&G have it so much more together than anybody else and why so much government support? Why are a pest fish and a bloody duck of all things so much holier than everything else released here as a game animal. The mind boggles.

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Fish and Game are set-up by the Government under one of the bits of Conservation legislation. They use to be called Acclimatisation Societies. Deer and possums use to be under their control and you needed a licence to hunt/trap them. Then their numbers got out of control and their legal status changed from game animals to noxious animals.

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Originally Posted by Jt89

One thing I've never understood since moving to NZ.

How and hell does F&G have it so much more together than anybody else and why so much government support? Why are a pest fish and a bloody duck of all things so much holier than everything else released here as a game animal. The mind boggles.

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Yeah, I don't think there is an answer to that! There are historical reasons, but as for logic, that is absent.

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Originally Posted by Ground Control

This is one I found quickly, there are more out there where he elaborates his views .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-count...ectid=12215228

Swazi and H&F are the first that come to mind when I think of “ bite the hand that feeds “

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Ah righto, yes I totally disagree
Would it put me off buying his brand? yes

@308 I haven't been able to afford his stuff although I may have a swazi jacket I bought 2nd hand off a mate many years ago.
Wouldn't now if I could help it.
He just needed to keep his fat trap shut. He could've said it was a tragedy and things need to be looked at etc but no. Had to big note himself and throw everyone under the bus. Even semi 22s weren't so flash. Lucky he didn't shit on shotguns. By his reasoning unless we were using single shot 303's and 22's we just aren't doing it right.
Fair enough-people are allowed their opinion but that was just bollocks.
And as for being scared about people with semis, that's pretty crap too. There are dodgy people out there with bolt action-he is stereotyping them.
I have had experience with a person on a Stewart island trip in the early 90's. I had a 243 woods master semi auto. I was told he didn't like them and wouldn't hunt with me. I thought that was a bit rough as I hunted with semi shotguns and didn't see the difference. They are either loaded or they aint but treat them as such.
Also if hunting in a pair the first guy is the only one with ammo anywhere near the chamber. Guy following is just there for the ride so what does having a semi auto matter?
You either trust me to have it unloaded or you don't. Brought up around the bolt action ethos and that was it. We still got on alright but I still thought it was naïve.

By his reasoning unless we were using single shot 303's and 22's we just aren't doing it right.

yea or maybe a spear?

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Originally Posted by mimms2

And something about "professionals" using the word "gun" gets right up me... I've got a nail gun, a staple gun, a glue gun, a caulking gun... different things from firearms

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Gonne = ye olde english word for any contraption of war.
Arm = weapon
man with gun = armed, weaponed up.
It's just english.
In some countries a firearms license is called a weapons license, but we are very sensitive about that, I get that.

If ever a snidy cop refers to your "weapons", ask him if your firearms license is a weapons license. Watch his face and see the cogs go round and round and get nowhere.

To be fair to him, there were plenty of people saying the same about there being "no need for semis" and IMO people with those opinions didn't think of the future. It was pretty obvious to anyone with a brain cell that this divide and conquer approach to fracture the hunting groups would be the start of something else, but no one listened. Let's hope us naysayers were wrong we don't get shafted any more than we have already been but i'm not holding my breath...

To answer the original question - yup, i won't be using them or H&F again, plenty of other choices.

.e.

Yeah, he's over-stepped the boundary there. He's the owner of a clothing company not a nominated voice of the people. All of us are to blame for that don't forget. We can't get our shit together. The "rabbid dog" like posts about setting out to sink him are uhmmm worrying to say the least...Great image for us on a public forum.

I thought I would buy Swazi gear again after this virus thing, support NZ made and all. That article makes me think hard about doing that. Maybe it's better to support a company like First Lite who're associated with the Meat Eater show which has a positive influence on the general public for all hunters. Something for me to think about.

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Originally Posted by K95

Yeah, he's over-stepped the boundary there. He's the owner of a clothing company not a nominated voice of the people. All of us are to blame for that don't forget. We can't get our shit together. The "rabbid dog" like posts about setting out to sink him are uhmmm worrying to say the least...Great image for us on a public forum.

I thought I would buy Swazi gear again after this virus thing, support NZ made and all. That article makes me think hard about doing that. Maybe it's better to support a company like First Lite who're associated with the Meat Eater show which has a positive influence on the general public for all hunters. Something for me to think about.

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Im not out to sink him, there is no way we can do that.
But if he notices a slump in sales then I will be happy.

Although, if he were to go broke due to a boycot of his brand then I would loose no sleep and it would be his just deserts to loose something that he did not want to loose.

Also, fuck him and his polar fleece.

Get off the stage.

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Originally Posted by K95

Yeah, he's over-stepped the boundary there. He's the owner of a clothing company not a nominated voice of the people. All of us are to blame for that don't forget. We can't get our shit together. The "rabbid dog" like posts about setting out to sink him are uhmmm worrying to say the least...Great image for us on a public forum.

I thought I would buy Swazi gear again after this virus thing, support NZ made and all. That article makes me think hard about doing that. Maybe it's better to support a company like First Lite who're associated with the Meat Eater show which has a positive influence on the general public for all hunters. Something for me to think about.

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Tell us more about this First Lite mob.

By that logic we should only purchase products if the people creating them (or who are at the helm of the companies that manufacture them) hold values and beliefs similar to ours? Good luck finding the gear you need, if it can only be made by people who think just like you!

While we're at it, we may as well quit drinking beer; stop purchasing mass manufactured clothing; stop eating chocolate; stop purchasing ammunition and firearms (do you think Beretta, Colt, and other long-standing arms companies have ever given a toss about the wellbeing of human beings?)

Davey's opinions and personal beliefs have no bearing on the utility (or lackthereof) of his products. And isn't that the whole point of purchasing something? Because you like the product, or believe it'll add value to your life?

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Originally Posted by Frodo

By that logic we should only purchase products if the people creating them (or who are at the helm of the companies that manufacture them) hold values and beliefs similar to ours? Good luck finding the gear you need, if it can only be made by people who think just like you!

While we're at it, we may as well quit drinking beer; stop purchasing mass manufactured clothing; stop eating chocolate; stop purchasing ammunition and firearms (do you think Beretta, Colt, and other long-standing arms companies have ever given a toss about the wellbeing of human beings?)

Davey's opinions and personal beliefs have no bearing on the utility (or lackthereof) of his products. And isn't that the whole point of purchasing something? Because you like the product, or believe it'll add value to your life?

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The whole point is it's horrendously expensive for what is in effect shredded milk bottles. Does it count as a boycott if you weren't going to buy anything anyway? Add in moving production to Thailand and throwing us under the bus and you get tripple cnut points.

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Originally Posted by GDMP

How would all those passionate hunters out there feel,if they had their passion and firearms used for it taken from them,because some find hunting barbaric,antiquated,and 'not necessary' in this modern age.After all most do their hunting now at the supermarket so why can't they also?.Most shooting fatalities here involve hunters and hunting rifles, not rifles and pistols used on a range.How would they feel (hunters) if other shooting groups started to throw them under the bus?.Why do they think hunting is above other types of shooting?.What makes them so special?.Just asking......

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That's a good point.

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Originally Posted by Steve123

The whole point is it's horrendously expensive for what is in effect shredded milk bottles. Does it count as a boycott if you weren't going to buy anything anyway? Add in moving production to Thailand and throwing us under the bus and you get tripple cnut points.

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Didn't realize he moved production to Thailand. Yes, I agree, it's somewhat overpriced (what clothing isn't these days?)

So you've never liked his products to begin with? It's a losing battle for Davey then. :D

I like his gear. Always have.

I must admit life has got hard after handing in my belt fed machine gun. But his coat keeps me dry....��

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Originally Posted by K95

Get off the stage.

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Why?

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Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

I reckon, good thing this bloke hasn’t got a semi auto...:thumbsup:

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why is a good thing I don't have a semi auto?

I've never bought or owned any Swazi gear.

The key thing to remember is that prior to 15th March 2019, the owner of the company hadn't said "boo" (at least to my knowledge) about anything regarding ownership of semi-automatic centrefire rifles. How he suddenly found his voice after last year's tragedy suggests that this a person who puts profit before principle.

I have never bought anything from him. And after his comments and outsourcing never will.

Always preferred stoney creek.

Won't buy swazi, sounds like spasi.

That said ... I don't really want to know the answer ... how morally pure is the average Chinese labour concentration camp factory Kommandant?

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

I have never bought anything from him. And after his comments and outsourcing never will.

Always preferred stoney creek.

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Stoney Creek? EEEEEEYOUUUU!!!!UUK

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Originally Posted by erniec

He is entitled to his opinion.
I buy Swazi because it lasts.
I also every year have family buy me H&F vouchers for birthdays and Xmas.
I spend them and I guess most like me do.
How many of you were upset when defense force stopped buying from a NZ manufacturer?.

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The top brass are not the sharpest knives in the draw and committed the cardinal sin of not telling the truth.Takes a humble journalist and reporter to make them look silly. Still no one got prosecuted for perjury.

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Originally Posted by Ryan

I've never bought or owned any Swazi gear.

The key thing to remember is that prior to 15th March 2019, the owner of the company hadn't said "boo" (at least to my knowledge) about anything regarding ownership of semi-automatic centrefire rifles. How he suddenly found his voice after last year's tragedy suggests that this a person who puts profit before principle.

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This,in a nutshell

One of my first jackets was a Swazi Wind River. Still going strong. Love it. Have heard Davey speak at functions and read his book, both excellent. When I heard his semi auto comments I felt betrayed by someone I admired. I reached out and emailed him via their website to try and understand why he had decided to speak out when I had never read or heard him say such things in the past. I got a reply that he was overseas and would respond when he returned. He never did.

I don't begrudge anyone an opinion...but his was outright wrong and populist opportunism, IMHO.

Sums up my thoughts.
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Originally Posted by Cordite

Won't buy swazi, sounds like spasi.

That said ... I don't really want to know the answer ... how morally pure is the average Chinese labour concentration camp factory Kommandant?

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Hey!! Those iPod's don't make themselves you know

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Originally Posted by 40mm

ANyone got the time to make a comprehensive list of ALL the cunts (businesses/organisations) who threw us under the bus?

I will spread that list like butter and push it harder than a drug dealer.

It needs to be consistently published and refreshed for years to exact a pittence of revenge on these mother fuckers.
If people like HnF and this Swazi idiot, Deerstalkers etc had used logic and held their tongue or supported us we might have stood at least a fair chance of being heard.

As it was, we all know how it went down.

I will never forget this shit.

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