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Re: whats happening Councillors
Reply #1 - Yesterday at 5:12pm
Ok, for those who are interested, here is the regulation report we received and take special note of staff recommendations.

http://auckland.fishandgame.org.nz/s...ikato/Regulati...

Why?

Because last year, council took the step of creating policy that councilors follow staff recommendations. They are the people who have the skills and are paid by us to inform us. Effectively, unless we feel there has been a grave mistake, we as council now stick to confirming what staff recommend.

Also, we now have the policy that any regulations are in place for 3 years to remove doubt and inconsistency from license holders minds. You guys all now know what the next 3 years will hold for you.

As such, councilors now leave decisions around Game bird releases to staff. I don't see that there has been any request to shoot outside of standard regulations for mallards.
My understanding is that it is simply a permit to release mallards.

http://auckland.fishandgame.org.nz/s...ikato/Agenda%2...

Page 62 of the agenda has a summary and report on all the exemptions including Siminovich estate.

You will see that no paid for days are involved for either partridge or duck.

Also of interest, subject to approval, Partridge will now be included on the standard license for all game bird shooters in Auckland Waikato, with a limit of ten.

Hopefully this will provide an incentive for keen individuals to get out and rear them for their own sport. It certainly provides for a great alternative to pheasant with a 3 bird cocks only limit. So no exemption should be needed for a great days shooting.

I am really happy to report, that council has by and large moved into a new era, and is working together better and more effectively than it has for a long period of time. Which gos a long way towards explaining the lack of vocalness from many of us. There right now, is no need. Smiley

I would also like to say that the quality of reporting we are currently receiving from staff has improved dramatically, and makes our job infinitely easier. It is a pleasure to attend meetings.
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IM SURE THIS WILL GRATE ON AW DUCKHUNTERS GIVEN THIER NEW RESTRICTIONS A FEW WILL BE FAVOURED SYNDICATES AND POTENTIAL PRESERVES,AND THE REST CAN MARY ANTIONETTE IT..'''LET THEM EAT CAKE:D

Same crap different year Probably lower license sales accordingly

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Same crap different year Probably lower license sales accordingly

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i bet thats not what those who voted for change in AW thought they,d be hearing now.
i have no problem with small groups of like minded guys trying to improve thier lot
but it sends the wrong messsage as far as ducks go ie ''if you want ducks release your own''
wouldnt that really be the death nell of f&G as a hunter/fisho lead mob if we have to do it all our selves??:wtfsmilie:

Quote: I am really happy to report, that council has by and large moved into a new era, and is working together better and more effectively than it has for a long period of time. Which goes a long way towards explaining the lack of vocalness from many of us. There right now, is no need. Smiley

I would also like to say that the quality of reporting we are currently receiving from staff has improved dramatically, and makes our job infinitely easier. It is a pleasure to attend meetings. Quote:

Not directed at you GSP F... Hope one of the authors of that rubbish reads this.. Duh !

So previous staff issues are what caused the problems ??? Ha bet they be pleased to see you wrote that !!
I bet your little meetings are fun fun fun .. . Sounds like there is no discussion required. Just sit round and eat scones drink cups of tea.
Don't have to think or use any common sense at all. Next three years of reduced season will impact on licence sales.
Take a look around are there not people trying to tell you that and complaints coming in..

Oh never mind keep your heads in the sand. It doesn't feel like you are promoting or encouraging the sport for any new folks to get involved...
or current sportsmen who have invested heavily in all aspects of the sport not just the shooting part.. No I wont get involved or volunteer to
assist as unfortunately have not enough patience to listen to blah blah blah .

in plain English the last manager stayed to long and failed to listen to his staff or licence holders.

without getting too mixed up with committee crap, it's good to see they are now letting the f&g staff actually call the shots.

the duck numbers are at very low numbers in the Waikato, to be honest they would have to expect a mass exodus from the sport and decline in licence sales ........... I will be spending a bit more time in the south island myself.

What kind of habitat do partridge require??

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

What kind of habitat do partridge require??

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A pear tree.

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Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

A pear tree.

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Massive Answer that cracked me up ... I m gonna start breeding hawks so I can shoot as many as I like ...

Well they ll look like my releases... What sort of habitat do they need ??

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

What kind of habitat do partridge require??

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Was exactly what I was thinking, followed by where can we get some?

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Originally Posted by Barefoot

Was exactly what I was thinking, followed by where can we get some?

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

IM SURE THIS WILL GRATE ON AW DUCKHUNTERS GIVEN THIER NEW RESTRICTIONS A FEW WILL BE FAVOURED SYNDICATES AND POTENTIAL PRESERVES,AND THE REST CAN MARY ANTIONETTE IT..'''LET THEM EAT CAKE:D

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No KWB or whatever handle you have on other forums, there is no favouritism, just positive outcomes for those who want to invest time and money. You sound like you just want everything to be delivered to you. If you bothered to read the rules you'd see next year's regs you'd see that the season length is less restrictive. So pray tell, what are these "new and grating"restrictions?

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Originally Posted by No KWB or whatever handle you have on other forums, there is no favouritism, just positive outcomes for those who want to[U

invest time and money.[/U] You sound like you just want everything to be delivered to you. If you bothered to read the rules you'd see next year's regs you'd see that the season length is less restrictive. So pray tell, what are these "new and grating"restrictions?

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invest a telling choice of words what will the return be for the average public land hunters who,s spots have been poisoned and degraded??
may3rd to june 8th i bet the licence buying public can barely contain thier glee and the 3 shot rule only works for those who obey it.. look how the lifting of 3 shot limits is doing on americas snow geese problem its still chronic. cos basicly it makes no diff how many shots the average gun has bacause they dont use them properly anyway.
i dont want everything delivered just what i thought i was paying a licence fee for,clean safe waterways and conditions where my target species can thrive while i still have accesss to them publicly:pissed off:

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

What kind of habitat do partridge require??

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They like it hot and dry, dusty and ours really tend to accumulate around barns and houses! They like open paddocks with hedge rows

They don't really live in treed areas, like open ground with shubs about. Originate from hot, dry areas of Spain, so like it hot and dusty best

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

They like it hot and dry, dusty and ours really tend to accumulate around barns and houses! They like open paddocks with hedge rows

They don't really live in treed areas, like open ground with shubs about. Originate from hot, dry areas of Spain, so like it hot and dusty best

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So totally unsuited to the Auckland district then :D

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Originally Posted by Barefoot

So totally unsuited to the Auckland district then :D

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Farm land seems ok but no good for your place

you seem to be missing the point what do you think your chance are of getting ducks if your within 5 miles of a place allowed to release ducks and control how thier shoot upto the point of waiting till they,ve drawn in a heap of your wild birds.have the gamebird rules been changed to include the commercial selling of large amounts of mallard young??

GSP follower ,whats stopping you from releasing ducks and feeding then to keep them in your area

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

you seem to be missing the point what do you think your chance are of getting ducks if your within 5 miles of a place allowed to release ducks and control how thier shoot upto the point of waiting till they,ve drawn in a heap of your wild birds.have the gamebird rules been changed to include the commercial selling of large amounts of mallard young??

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NZ Gamebirds sell mallards to the public

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

GSP follower ,whats stopping you from releasing ducks and feeding then to keep them in your area

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in aw they have a 30 day before the season ban now i believe??
that plus possibly the live decoy rule and id want to shoot wild ducks.
isnt it a copout to have to buy in your own ducks in large numbers rather than fix the problems that have been created??
who other than the well off or those looking to a commercial advantage could do it??

Any gamebird reared and released is a boost to the population. People need to get off their asses and do some predator control, riparian plantings etc. Put some effort into the sport and foster good relationships with property owners making it beneficial to both sides to have access to their land.

The copout is waiting for someone else to do everything for you.

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

in aw they have a 30 day before the season ban now i believe??
that plus possibly the live decoy rule and id want to shoot wild ducks.
isnt it a copout to have to buy in your own ducks in large numbers rather than fix the problems that have been created??
who other than the well off or those looking to a commercial advantage could do it??

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If i didnt live 4 hrs drive from my pond i would buy mallards to release and im not well off or looking at any commercial gains.

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

isnt it a copout to have to buy in your own ducks in large numbers rather than fix the problems that have been created

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No cop-out that I can see. Everyone should do it rather than hanging around waiting for someone else to do it.

the harvest rate from released mallards can be in the high 90%, from a commercial angle they offer great returns, unlike pheasants.
I would say a private release would in fact return well over the release numbers, I'm all for releasing ducks but if the motive is to put something back then the release site would have to be a non shooting area for that season in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by kawhia

the harvest rate from released mallards can be in the high 90%, from a commercial angle they offer great returns, unlike pheasants.
I would say a private release would in fact return well over the release numbers, I'm all for releasing ducks but if the motive is to put something back then the release site would have to be a non shooting area for that season in my opinion.

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thats pretty radical kawhia:thumbsup:

i dont believe theres a duck shortage here as evidenced by the numbers shot in parts of the csi region.what i believe is because ellys so degraded the bulk of the birds are elsewhere.low water levels where therses usually heaps around the margins cant be good for nesting or chick survival either. the lake is currently at .43 of a metre. areas like wolfs road who,s wet spots are usually full of hens and chicks are barren and dry.theres also shitloads in the river and on every dairy drain and slow flowing rdrs.