Thread: Crossing show lines

Originally Posted by el borracho

RCGSP - and also that a hunter that doesnt appreciate the finer points of working dogs should have a soft toy not a real dog ---

See that's where it gets real interesting, cause mine are all working dogs, and X's. All hard apart from the whippet X's who are hard on the hill but soft arses at home. As a rule first crosses, but I find pure breeds ALL a arse pain. Yes I've had a few and no doubt I'll have a few more too.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

See that's where it gets real interesting, cause mine are all working dogs, and X's. All hard apart from the whippet X's who are hard on the hill but soft arses at home. As a rule first crosses, but I find pure breeds ALL a arse pain. Yes I've had a few and no doubt I'll have a few more too.

Wirehunt are you talking crossing your dogs with different breeds ? This is really talking about pure breed bird dogs from both show and working lines being crossed and the effects from those crosses .
I take it your talking pig dogs ??

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

See that's where it gets real interesting, cause mine are all working dogs, and X's. All hard apart from the whippet X's who are hard on the hill but soft arses at home. As a rule first crosses, but I find pure breeds ALL a arse pain. Yes I've had a few and no doubt I'll have a few more too.

I mean no disrespect but breeding rabbiters isn't like breeding bird dogs. Rabbiters need to be bred/selected for a relatively small number of traits. Bird dog breeding, particularly the versatiles requires selection for a huge number of traits.

Originally Posted by RCGSP

I mean no disrespect but breeding rabbiters isn't like breeding bird dogs. Rabbiters need to be bred/selected for a relatively small number of traits. Bird dog breeding, particularly the versatiles requires selection for a huge number of traits.

I would agree with Ryan 100 % on this , there are many things in the ability frame work and temperament that must be recognized and breed for !!

Upnorth Uplander is a good hunter of birds and has no problem with the mix "for only closer hunting " ? opinion on this Z or in general has it or do you think it isnt the hindrance we like to believe it is .

Now field trialing that dog may be very hard though!!!!! ????

Originally Posted by el borracho

Upnorth Uplander is a good hunter of birds and has no problem with the mix "for only closer hunting " ? opinion on this Z or in general has it or do you think it isnt the hindrance we like to believe it is

The thing is, you have to look at the dogs in question. Uplander had the half Irish bitch with him for a season or two, he knows her performance. I have seen her in person also, she is a hard running bitch, big and fast. Those in the know reckon she is better than her full work blooded dam. I think his male dog of the older NZ working lines, who I was fortunate enough to have had the pleasure of shooting over this season, would go well over her. While not a mating I would do, things can only improve, being 3/4 work.

As a side note, she was in turn mated to another show dog, so sadly those pups were unfortunately 3/4 show. I have seen pups from this mating as well; respectfully all I will say is, is that they a far cry from thier Irish FTCH ancestors. Two matings is all it took

Originally Posted by RCGSP;54053 [B

I mean no disrespect but breeding rabbiters isn't like breeding bird dogs.[/B] Bird dog breeding, particularly the versatiles requires selection for a huge number of traits.

I find that rather amusing. Done much of it? It is in fact one of the harder ones to do as so much is expected of them.
Kill ferrets, BUT not mine
Range long in open ground
Don't range in tight ground
Retrieve is very handy
Kill cats
Don't touch possums
Bail pigs if I say so
Indicate live holes
Don't touch dead shit (this is hardest of the lot)
DO NOT bark in the kennels
Bark when onto something

If your good enough come deer stalking with me, but don't chase them!