Thread: Crossing show lines

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

considering pointer posted this , I dont see any bullshit from him RUFF

Thats exactly it, I'm honest about my dogs abilities. I'm the first to admit both of our shortcomings. But if there is one thing that dog does well, and it has saved him from oblivion more than once, is that he can find and handle pheasants. Ruff I thought you were being sporting in letting us both have crack at your pheasants haha!?

Most people who know me, know that I have made a habit over the last three years of inviting triallists and dogmen (dogwomen too) with known good dogs to my place or grounds I have access to hunt. So far I have I've seen germans, huns, good setters of both varieties (gordons don't count), even a frog dog once! As of recently I have spent a lot of time and money travelling far and wide looking at dogs and meeting people. Also, watching trials in a few different countries. Trust me, there are no rose-tinted glasses to be worn here when it comes to discussing my own dog.

I would be mad to tell a guy whos' dog has won at champ level that my dog is better than his, quite frankly that is naive, and as EL B indicated better left to the trials format. The only way I could ever compete with such a dog wouldn't be on manners, it would be on finds, hence saying if the match was on equal terms, it would be a good day out. Especially when they are your birds


Back to the discussion, I'm going to post a pedigree here, I think it is relevant to the initial discussion. My apologies if anyone owns this dog! El B asked when does a half show dog cease to be show?

Here is a pedigree Ledgands Pointer Pedigree Database

The sire, is the greatest home bred pointer NZ has seen, the only dog to consistantly beat Woody, FTCH Wingfield Banner QC. As good a sire as you could find in NZ from what is considered arguably the best mating to happen in NZ. The Aussie dam,has show in her background. Both show dogs were mated to FTCHs, one of those champions being the sire of Banner, the excellent Irish import FTCH Innistona Shoot, making a useful 6.25% linebreeding on him, the best sire to come to NZ. The other half show mating produced a dual champion, and anything that can win under the Aussie trials format will probably be better than our stuff.

Im my view, the show crosses has been proven, and obviously worked well to win in thier trials. This to me is an example of when its safe to say show blood has been mitigated successfully. Obviously the progeny will the ultimate test, this is was just a purely academic example.