duck preserves can f off

my email to f&g
re duck hunting preserves

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Kevin Brown <kw.brown15@yahoo.co.nz>
To:
Fish and Game New Zealand
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Don Rood
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bjohnson@fishandgame.org.nz


‎25‎ ‎Apr at ‎12‎:‎24‎ ‎PM

no oh hell no.
we have a tradition of duck hunting for everybody the pheasant preserve experiment was just that a experiment.
if it takes payed duck hunting to save preserves tough and not at our expence.
why should every hunter wirthin 5 miles of a duck preserve have to watch every duck for miles draw to the fed tameish put and take so called ''breeding efforts for everybodies benifit''flocks of live cackling decoys.
this is not england or europe hunting in nz was free range plentiful and for everyone able to buy a licence.
fish and games primary responcibility is to the majority of nz licence buyers not a vocal self interested minority.
you,ve done enough for the wealthy sportman and overseas hunter with the summer seasons and losing geese to all year round hunting and certain councills riddled with self interested guides.
if preserves cant survive on pheasants partridge whatever then tough free market rules right.
then theres ovbviousy to many and attrition wil bring them down to a number that can be supported by thier clients.
enough is enough not one more concession to greed but support for tradition and the majority.


yours kw brown

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What specifically are you responding to? Is there a webpage or some other document?

Agree with what you’ve got to say, so would be good to have background to also submit a comment.

the latest special issue of the f&G mag asks for opinions presumembly to your local f&G.
but fuck it i sent it to everybody i know at national and local level.
its on page 73 of the mag
.it also asks quite sneakily about large scale private mallard releases as a improvement tool but neglects to tell its preserves or guides doing it.
the worrying bit is sort of hidden at the end ''oh by the way what about payed duck hunting''FUCK OFF THATS WHAT ABOUT IT.
as far as i know the only acredited supplier happens to be hawkes bay gamebirds
whose owner is a hb councillor with at least two other guides on the councill bates and duley.

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JEFF NIBLETT
Home Phone- 06 878 7131
E-Mail- jeff@nzgamebirds.co.nz

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Is this really the isssue?That you can’t shoot a duck because it wants to go to a “preserve”.
I appreciate the passion behind the sentiment but the reality is ducks go where they like.
Feeding ponds,big water,flight lines,weather are just some of the reasons ducks don’t want to head in the direction we want!
Increasing duck numbers must be a big plus and if it is paid for by those with deep pockets and limited time and skills then what has changed?
Access to good shooting possies is the golden rule of successful duck shooting and I don’t think that will ever change or be changed
by those who want to privatise it for the very small number of people who can and want to pay for it.
The benefits are significant and can have a positive flow on effect for all shooters in the long run.
I have shot raised ducks in the UK.Done badly they were embarrassingly bad but done properly they are very sporting birds which test the best of shots.
Luckily I have a good possie on Public land so I’m not affected.
But what if a landowner has a large area of Swamp which generates no income.Surely no one could complain if it was used for paying customers-something which adds value to land which has in the past been drained and lost forever... and maximises its intrinsic value.
Has anyone seen a duck quacking away whilst others are shot around it and who would know which is a wild bird and which is raised anyway?
From speaking to those who have raised their own birds they are just as likely to go to another pond as raised birds.
I think this is a good idea with a lot of potential.

Lol at this thread.

Struggle to see how releasing ducks has anything but a positive effect on the local population and shooters.

Look at pheasant preserves, birds everywhere!

Look at private land big game hunting, of course fringe country is going to benefit
Chip on shoulder maybe???

Who cares if you can't afford it

well struggle no more,
the evidence is they dont they way its done is that most raised are shot
those that escape are generally easy pickings for predators due to thier sheltered upbringing.
if they are allowed to feed tameish flocks just to be shot does that mean we can now use live decoys??
the hell it does ,its not one rule for the wealthy and one for us.
pheasants everywhere huh do you know what roading in means and why its done.
what and where is everywhere??
who cares if you can afford it.""
thats not what the tradition and purpose of the regs or the intent of the sport.
for wealthy buggers to short circuit the whole meaning of it by buying thier way in

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But what if a landowner has a large area of Swamp which generates no income.Surely no one could complain if it was used for paying customers-something which adds value to land which has in the past been drained and lost forever... and maximises its intrinsic value

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because its abhorrent to the majority of duckhunters and its illegal.
why does everything have to be about maximising profit look where thats got us eviromentaly and socialy.
the difference between us is there value in the swamp as a swamp.
leave the wealthiest get the best sport bullshit back in europe.
it wasnt what the pioneers here invisioned but free range and available to all who can buy a licenceis with the licence money used to better the waterfowl ,habitat and hunting opportunities.

Weren't game animals released in new Zealand to provide a paid form of hunting and income??? Sorry might be wrong.

Is this thread about making duck jam? I'm actually lost as to what's going on here..

I don’t agree with what I think you are trying to say.If it is anyone who pays for their sport is wrong and breaking the law then times have moved on.
Or landowners have to share their land with those who can’t afford to buy their own land and that’s our tradition. You must live in a fool’s paradise.
If you read what I said it is about why swamps are or were drained in the past.
Expecting someone to preserve a swamp so you can shoot ducks has never worked.Free range has never been part of duck shooting that is why people can mark up their own MaiMai’s so they don’t have to compete with those who think they can shoot where they like.
More people are buying swampland for their own shooting why can’t they raise their own birds?

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

well struggle no more,
the evidence is they dont they way its done is that most raised are shot
those that escape are generally easy pickings for predators due to thier sheltered upbringing.
if they are allowed to feed tameish flocks just to be shot does that mean we can now use live decoys??
the hell it does ,its not one rule for the wealthy and one for us.
pheasants everywhere huh do you know what roading in means and why its done.
what and where is everywhere??
who cares if you can afford it.""
thats not what the tradition and purpose of the regs or the intent of the sport.
for wealthy buggers to short circuit the whole meaning of it by buying thier way in

because its abhorrent to the majority of duckhunters and its illegal.
why does everything have to be about maximising profit look where thats got us eviromentaly and socialy.
the difference between us is there value in the swamp as a swamp.
leave the wealthiest get the best sport bullshit back in europe.
it wasnt what the pioneers here invisioned but free range and available to all who can buy a licenceis with the licence money used to better the waterfowl ,habitat and hunting opportunities.

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Times have changed brother ! There is an abundance of good shooting available in this country.Even on the DOC estate. You just have to be prepared to get off your butt , Go door knocking , Spend hours scouting and you will find ducks. Ive never had a problem getting access . This us and them attitude doesnt really wash with me sorry. Your either a duck hunter or you are not . No need to be divisive . Hunters are shocking at this. If I want to raise ducks on my wee bit of land and charge people to shoot them then i fuckin well will ( not that im going too anyway). My issue is with others telling me what I can and cant do with my land. What was relevant in 1850 is not in 2018 .

put and take duck release has a higher return then pheasants, put down a 100 and you can harvest 200.
Complete opposite to pheasants...... it’s already been happening for many years just not been acted on by fish and game.

I can’t really understand the concept of the thread, but I assume it was about adding driven ducks to the preserve menu ?
The comments re raising ducks and releasing them, you can still do that it’s legal....once released they become property of the crown and become protected as do escaped pheasants from shoots.
Charging to hunt waterfowl on private land is and has been illegal right from the start...... due to the reverse effect of captive ducks I would never like to see preserves legally do this, for many parts of the country it would be a disaster to the efforts put in on private land and public swamps to increase the wild population...... Southland excluded

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Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Weren't game animals released in new Zealand to provide a paid form of hunting and income??? Sorry might be wrong.

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no just hunting for all that could afford a nominal licence fee in responce to the elitism in england and europe.,
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My issue is with others telling me what I can and cant do with my land. What was relevant in 1850 is not in 2018 .

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its not a land rights issue its a gamebird managed for the good of all hunters not just those that can afford to sidestep the rules issue.
if you live within a certain distance of a duck preserve how will you feel when every duck draws to the tame fed flocks there
your dekes will become obsolete but should you use live decoys try it and see how you go.
id thought releases had been well poopooed in the states as ineffectual and even thought some local pundits here thought it a waste of funds.
the biggest lie is theyre doing it for the good of all, crap.

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he comments re raising ducks and releasing them, you can still do that it’s legal....once released they become property of the crown and become protected

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yes kawhia but you require a licence/permit and theres some kind of order to it.
there wont be if preserves get thier way.
why should one of the last traditions left be bought out from under us

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.Free range has never been part of duck shooting

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you misunderstand free range tupara its the birds/animals not the hunters that are so.:D

This is a storm in a teacup. There is only a small number of preserves and a small number of Guns (people who shoot driven game). I have hunted with lots of Guns over the years and I don't know any that would be interested in paying for duck hunting. In fact a number are not even interested in duck shooting any more, they just shoot driven pheasants.

Bullshit..... most will and do take there peg on a duck drive, it’s part of the day

Isn't there already privilege? Massive areas of land are privately owned (and hunted). I don't begrudge anyone anything, but NZ is far from a free-for-all hunting paradise. Maybe you guys on the South Island, or lower North Island feel different?

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put down a 100 and you can harvest 200.

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you mean wild ducks drawn in??

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but NZ is far from a free-for-all hunting paradise. Maybe you guys on the South Island, or lower North Island feel different?

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its the resourse the ducks that are free to anyone who buys a licence and couldnt be held without a permit,
they changed legislation so they could own wild deer they can fuck off and leave ducks alone.
now permits to buy and release ducks seem easier to geteven tho theres no studies supporting captive mallard releases.
but doc wont say to who they,re bieng issiued to or whyand niether do they care.
if you think f&G do f all nowfor bird hunting see what happens if this comes to pass.
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Bullshit..... most will and do take there peg on a duck drive, it’s part of the day

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so what ive been told about illegal payed duck shoots at certain preserves is true??

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Originally Posted by kawhia

Bullshit..... most will and do take there peg on a duck drive, it’s part of the day

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Okay. Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Could you remind me which preserves take their Guns (pegs are what they stand on) for a duck drive on the same day that they shoot driven pheasants or partridge? I can't recall any. I have just talked to my dogs, who spent much of April and May on different preserves, and they have told me that they didn't do any duck drives.

TreeTops did a couple duck days, but I don't recall them shooting pheasants on the same day.

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Originally Posted by Hautapu

Okay. Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Could you remind me which preserves take their Guns (pegs are what they stand on) for a duck drive on the same day that they shoot driven pheasants or partridge? I can't recall any. I have just talked to my dogs, who spent much of April and May on different preserves, and they have told me that they didn't do any duck drives.

TreeTops did a couple duck days, but I don't recall them shooting pheasants on the same day.

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if they did duck days and charged for the hunt then they broke the law.

I'm very much against it. Ducks fly quite long distances to feed, quite different from upland birds so the money backed ability of so-called duck preserves to feed massively and then slaughter very large numbers of ducks drawn in from a large area of wild bird populations is detrimental to both the wild population and to "normal" hunters opportunities and ethics.

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Originally Posted by Woody

I'm very much against it. Ducks fly quite long distances to feed, quite different from upland birds so the money backed ability of so-called duck preserves to feed massively and then slaughter very large numbers of ducks drawn in from a large area of wild bird populations is detrimental to both the wild population and to "normal" hunters opportunities and ethics.

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you might want to check out whats going on at ngamatea station then

i hope none of your licence dollars were used:O_O:

Can you enlighten us a little more please? That place is a few hours from me; ie I have no contacts there.

Ahh those wonderful times fill the pond with the choicest titbits and shoot every duck for miles.....guaranteed.Worked every time!True.