Thread: fish and game elections

Originally Posted by gsp follower

ngamatea was owned by the same outfit that owned the station i was on.
wonder where his pheasant seed stock/current stock comes from??
now who else guides/hunts on ngamatea for deer umummumm

I'm calling wide there GSPF. I think there is two different things that need identifying there.

Some (all?) councils run a conflict register that you can identify any "potential" conflicts.You might include beneficial relationships (e.g salesman for goods distributor), occupation (e.g fishing guide), acquaintance (e.g friend of most of the before mentioned) or "other" considerations being a stand holder in a F&G wetland. This to help a good manager manage any potential conflicts of interest in the decision making process where one party or another may benefit from some form of valuable consideration. Basically if you don't want to disclose these things then perhaps public office isn't the place for you?

Actual conflict of interest in making a decision. For example imagine I sell guns and ammunition and a motion is presented looking to ban magazine extensions. I like selling gun parts and ammunition so my natural inclination is to defeat the motion if possible. This is a conflict and should be discussed and minuted. A council might decide I can present a case to continue using mag extensions but remove my ability to vote on the subject or have me take no part.

Not talked about but equally or more important is staff conflicts. Imagine hypothetically the CEO has legal friends that are struggling in the global financial slow down so invents a couple legal issue's to spend a substantial but undisclosed amount of license holder money without authorisation or due cause. There is nothing to identify or prevent this. Or perhaps the CEO could own a sporting goods shop and allow industry to lobby for favourable changes that could result in personal benefit. Steel shot the most obvious.

There is problems all over F&G which stem from the top. There is certainly problems with COI but the situation you mentioned isn't one of them in my view.

fair enough tim your good at seeing the deeper darker picture.
but things in hb seem bad enough that a ACC counsellor might need to visit

Some (all?) councils run a conflict register that you can identify any "potential" conflicts.]

funny thing is of all the minutes ive looked at ,i dont believe ive seen one registered yet????

have just read the candidates profiles in hb theres a sence of deep division there.
hope this beautiful region can sort its shit for the benefit of licence buyers and the wild fish and game stocks

Originally Posted by gsp follower

fair enough tim your good at seeing the deeper darker picture.
but things in hb seem bad enough that a ACC counsellor might need to visit


funny thing is of all the minutes ive looked at ,i dont believe ive seen one registered yet????

So correct thinking would suggest full probity is on display and no conflicts have occurred. The council office may hold a register of potential conflicts. A COI on a decision made would or should be recorded in the minutes. But who's actually watching anyway???

So a spot test for you GSPF to see if I made my point - give a hypothetical situation turning this resolution into an obvious COI.

(For this July 2014 Special Meeting- no conflicts of interest were recorded so we must assume allocating F&G money to investigate a commercial operation has some unseen benefit for the license buyer).

8.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet

(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)

i saw that and thought ''what the f..k''
theres obviously 2 differing views on the councill as to where our future lies ??
one would appear to support planting oppurtunities the other fighting for wild bird retention and enhancement.
but not doing wild counts and banding seems like putting your head in the sand and hopeing the problem either flies away or you get your solutions and info based on another regions maybe differing circumstances and topography.??.
i wonder for instance do the birds still raft up off blackhead beach or is horeshoe lake out elsthorpe way still a major refuge during the season??land use change woulsd seem obvious even from the differnces i noticed on the places i use to know.fuck me the patangata pubs only open 3 days a week and that in the avo

[QUOTE.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet
(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)
[/QUOTE]

hehe
i cant see for the life of me how stopping banding and population monitoring adding a commercial fishout pond goes with the stated aims of some of the returning candidates

Originally Posted by EeeBees

What I dislike about all of this is the lack of respect...people are voted on to the council and squander the purpose of being there...this is not a joke, it is not a playway...when you have people paying money for a license you have a moral obligation to see that it is not one for one but one for all...the respected Mr Bill Spooner would be absolutely aghast at how things are these days...he was the most selfless of gentlemen and dedicated his life to the cause...

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

but not doing wild counts and banding seems like putting your head in the sand and hopeing the problem either flies away or you get your solutions and info based on another regions maybe differing circumstances and topography.??.

It is unclear if all monitoring has stopped? So their heads might not be in the sand. I'll explain why what you read concerns me anecdotally from available information.

From the same minutes re the fish out pond where no conflicts were registered.

8.1 Council opted to cease the banding of mallard........ Nibblett/ Duley

8.2 Council INSTRUCTED staff to reallocate funding from mallard banding to........ Nibblet/ Lumsden


NO BANDING?- If wild banded birds regularly turned up shot on a property that supplied captive bred birds to shoot it could provide an insight into the attractant potential of these live decoys and any adverse effect on the public access to the public resource. No banding, no problem (will show up). Would you want to provide information that might detract supplying captive bred birds if that is what you do? This is one way to view this resolution. Is there a conflict or a strong perception of one on these grounds? Obviously not going by the minutes.

In any council we are left with only the integrity of those holding public office to maintain the publics confidence in the organisations operations. Robust honest evaluation is required and recorded to maintain the perception of transparency and accountability. My perception is the publics confidence in F&G isn't gaining altitude.

its interesting that they cut this that and the other and say they support the mallard research program also whaT ELSE THE StYMIED IN THOSE QUOTEd lines .
but wouldnt you think you,d still want some sort of idea whats happening and pertinent to your region.
surely its not a case of we dont really want to know how bad it is we would rather anymore bad news came from somewhere/one else is go ie the AW/SOUTHLAND research.
and yes i can see if you go the put and take ducks root you would want embarrassing numbers of wild banded birds in the mix.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

[QUOTE.3 Council instructed staff to allocate 6K to the investigation of establishing a large commercial fish out pond. (14/07/8.3) Bates/ Nibblet
(Goodness knows what is behind such a resolution?)

hehe
i cant see for the life of me how stopping banding and population monitoring adding a commercial fishout pond goes with the stated aims of some of the returning candidates[/QUOTE]

Nor I, @gsp follower...

Fish out pond...what???? we have spectacular streams and rivers which attract fisherfolk the world over...meanwhile...there, minuted, is six thousand dollars to be allocated to a feasibility study...for crying out loud...what a wanton waste of licence money...there can be only one outcome to such a resolution...the feathering of a nest or nests...and obviously not a feral mallie's one...

[QUOTEFish out pond...what???? we have spectacular streams and rivers which attract fisherfolk the world over...meanwhile...there, minuted, is six thousand dollars to be allocated to a feasibility study][/QUOTE]

nail head eebees
methinks the culture in some regions is gearing towards the visitors while we pay the bill
the amount of vested interest whether conflict declared or not has ,many shakeing thier heads.
I SAY AGAIN IM STILL WAITING ON SOME RELY FROM HAWLKES BAY ON THE PROCESS TO DROP THE COUNCIL NUMBERS??
IM STARTING TO GET SUSPICIOUS AND UNEASY SINCE I.VE HAD A REPLY AT NATIONAL LEVEL

Voted today online. I used the broom technique.

But this same day
Must end that work the ides of March begun;
And whether we shall meet again I know not.
Therefore our everlasting farewell take:
For ever, and for ever, farewell, Cassius!
If we do meet again, why, we shall smile;
If not, why, then, this parting was well made.

kind of appropriate i reckon tho the smiles may be a little forced in the fruitbowl of the nth island

HAWKE'S BAY FISH & GAME COUNCIL
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE COUNCIL HELD
AT THE GAME FARM ON TUESDAY 18th AUGUST 2015 AT 6:00 PM

hallelujah finally i could be a little cynical given theres only a days voting left

[QUOTE] That the administration staff of the Hawke’s Bay Fish and Game Council and Eastern Fish and Game Council are authorised to negotiate new and maturing term investments and make enquiries regarding all Hawke’s Bay Fish & Game Council bank accounts individually. (15/08/7.2.4) Boaler/Bates [QUOTE]
waaaaat the f..k for???

[QUOTE]s. Cr Duley replied that unfortunately, because Council was bound by a confidentiality agreement between both parties, Council could not publicly state what had happened, but assured all present, that the incoming council would be informed in a public excluded session. Tony Hill inquired what time limit applied to the confidentiality clause, and was informed it was a permanent agreement without a set time limit.[QUOTE]

unless your trying to win an election huh boys and girls* big grin

[QUOTE] Cr Duley expressed Council’s concerns at the allegations made anonymously to the Whale Oil blog site; it appeared these allegations were a personal attack on councillors to discredit them.[QUOTE]

a personel attack really where have we seen that recently* big grin

[QUOTE]Tuck (F&GNZ), Garrick (Eastern Regional Manager), Lyons (NZ Council
Chairman), Ferris (Eastern Councillor), Roderick (Eastern Councillor). [QUOTE]

to many eastern cooks for my liking no wonder the broths proving hard to swallow* sad
i hope im wrong but that filthy word amalgamation springs to mind.
what do our hawkes bayers think of potentialy hawkes bay eastern region ??
will they have a case theyre doing a lot of the work getting well paid admittedly but is this f&g,s version of a non hostile take over??

[QUOTE=gsp follower;403763]HAWKE'S BAY FISH & GAME COUNCIL
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE COUNCIL HELD
AT THE GAME FARM ON TUESDAY 18th AUGUST 2015 AT 6:00 PM

hallelujah finally i could be a little cynical given theres only a days voting left

[QUOTE] That the administration staff of the Hawke’s Bay Fish and Game Council and Eastern Fish and Game Council are authorised to negotiate new and maturing term investments and make enquiries regarding all Hawke’s Bay Fish & Game Council bank accounts individually. (15/08/7.2.4) Boaler/Bates [QUOTE]
waaaaat the f..k for???

so how come eastern have this privilege...??? so amalgamation would make it nice and easy, wouldn't it

[QUOTE]s. Cr Duley replied that unfortunately, because Council was bound by a confidentiality agreement between both parties, Council could not publicly state what had happened, but assured all present, that the incoming council would be informed in a public excluded session. Tony Hill inquired what time limit applied to the confidentiality clause, and was informed it was a permanent agreement without a set time limit.

until it is contested

what do our hawkes bayers think of potentialy hawkes bay eastern region ??

it is wrong, it is a travesty...it would be a massive area and if hawkes bay cannot handle the governance, what the blazes are they doing...why does hawkes bay need the assistance of eastern...ludicrous notion to my mind...and from a statement above, eastern might just want the money and if they do, what for??

will they have a case theyre doing a lot of the work getting well paid admittedly but is this f&g,s version of a non hostile take over??

looks like it!!!