Over 80% of duck mortality is not from hunters.
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Over 80% of duck mortality is not from hunters.
I see more squashed on the roads than ever get shot by me!!
Water quality of the lakes I hunt is the issue in my area,no more food in the lakes for the birds solely resting area for them now,after a couple of weekends getting shot at they head to quieter places.used to have good night shoots as the birds came in to feed on the weed but no more..
Starvation and botulism, giving this latest weather trend I would oNly expect this number to increaseQuote:
Originally Posted by 7mmwsm
this could be the kick start bird numbers need.
a month or more headstart for the firt season birds that usually pay the highest price could be just what we need.
Yeah I agree but only for opening numbers, the natural and predertation mortality might increase further on.
UP DATE FROM FISH AND GAME
Based on current Government projections, we are likely to see an opening day mid-May or early June. An example of how this would work is:
Level 2 introduced between May 11 & 15 = Opening Day May 23
Level 2 introduced between May 16 & 29 = Opening Day June 6
Fish & Game Rangers will be active throughout the country this weekend to ensure hunters comply with the delay to the game bird season start.
The Health Act Amendment Order published today (Thursday) states that the hunting or killing of game birds is prohibited from being undertaken as permitted recreation.
The penalty for anyone breaching the Health Order by failing to comply with the restrictions on game bird hunting is a maximum of 6 months imprisonment or a fine of $4,000. Compliance failure resulting in enforcement will be taken into account by Police when determining if a person remains fit and proper to possess a firearms licence.
licence renewel worries over bring on the opening mofosQuote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
I hate it when they have to threaten you do get compliance. Game Bird Hunting Compliance on the day is a F/G issue, firearm offences on the day are a Police issue. I don't see how a F/G regulation needs a follow up threat from the Police. What has fit and proper person have to do with a offence against the wildlife act 1953 and the Wildlife Regulations 1955.
here you go lads.....some good news at last.....
can stay overnight
can use boats
can travel
3.30pm 7 May 2020
The Prime Minister has announced the restrictions for Level 2 today and it is very good news for game bird hunters.
Retail stores will be open with some social distancing restrictions
You can travel to your maimai to make preparations
You can travel nationally and stay overnight while following public health measures
You can use boats
Public conservation land will be open for game bird hunting but DOC huts and camping grounds have some guidelines
Maintain social distancing from people you don't know and keep a record of everyone you come in to contact with
Your hunting group is not restricted but the smaller the group the better
Hunt safely in areas that you know and do not pose obvious risk
Avoid sharing equipment with others
Be safe in all your interactions as much as you possibly can
If you are sick or have any symptoms as minor as a runny nose - Stay home
On Monday May 11, the Prime Minister will likely make an announcement about the timing of a move to Level 2. We will confirm the season commencement date as soon as we can after that. We will also advise any extensions to seasons on a regional basis as soon as practically possible
YABADABADOOOH. look out ducks we coming after you.
BAD NEWS is I heard from reliable source that some plonkers/dickheads/arseholes/bottom feeding pond scum/followers of Alan &Sue couldnt help themselves and were banging away down at wainono
thats DOC administered land...out of season...throw the whole friggin library at them please judge...no sympathy whatsoever...no way in hell they didnt know.
Dicks..absolute dicks.
They would have to be charged with breaching the Health order......According to my my sources the gazzetted game regs for the season 2020 have not been rescinded yet......Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
nothing the police are there to intimidate you. I believe F&G (and the Police) should need reasonable cause/proof an offence has been comitted BEFORE they are allowed to enter private property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
No issues whatsoever with them doing what they please on Public Lands but I am a firm believer a mans house / property is his own private property..................therefore Private!
car,plane,donkey blah de blah can all be searched if reasonable grounds to suspect something hidden....F&G warrent holders have more powers of search than police BUT have to be prepared to stand up in court and justify that to a judge.
Technically what can f&g officers ask to see/check etc?im thinking,name,game bird license,pinned semi auto check,steel ammo ?what else?firearms license perhaps?had a real little nazi a few years ago bellowing across the lake for all and sundry to come to him about 9am opening morning or else,he had no boat so was ignored by everyone and ended up leaving in a huff even skidded up the farm paddock on his way out.
thats my point if they want to come onto private property then they should have just cause/reasonable suspicion.................not just turn up on a "fishing expadition" just in case!Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
Public Land anyone can access at any time no issue.
Ha ha just the sort of Ranger no one needs, absolute plonker and undos all of the good stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by The bomb
That others do.
I know that F/G officers work under 2 different acts and are governed by very different rules for either act. Yes they can go onto private property as well as commercial property, depends on which act or regulations they are working under. They cannot go on to a permanent fixed abode or its courtyard or a caravan that is habituated for more than I think 5 months of the year. They cant just enter your property to have a nosy. They dont have to seek permission to enter your property but have to leave a note of them being on your place and for what reason as soon as they leave. Same as they can stop any vehicle, vessel or plane for that matter providing it can be justified. Doing this can lead them into some very tricky situations including a defacto arrest type event. I know these guys do train pretty extensively every year and get a grounding in the new rules which may pop up.I find it frustrating when I hear of Rangers abusing their powers, something I have yet to see mind you.All Rangers-must work under the Search and Surveillance Act is encompasses the Wildlife Act1953 ( reasonable grounds not required to enter but still must stay i side the S$ S act , and the conservation act which means the Ranger must have reasonable grounds to believe that an offence has been committed. Phew what a bloody minefield. That is as best Incan interoperate the rules. I have yet to met a bad Ranger in the Eastern area. not a Lawyers but one is bound to come along soon ha ha.
So are we all good GA for no duck licence on private land?
only if you are the owner/occupier or thier spouse and one son or daughter...so two members of family...two people gender is irrelevant apparently..... but you cant have two brothers /sisters hunting same property without licence.
and you still have to comply with same rules n regs as everyone else.
Must also live on the property , the reg is called Owner occupier. Micky Duck is correct.
Can also be husband and wife.
It is up to you to prove the Ranger of your status I believe. So you both would need to have your firearms liscemce or similar on you. I believe the Plod do check this. Also they will check your vehicle for unsecured firearms. I carry a spare in a case in my Maimai broken down in case its needed but it is considered a safe and in a unusable state for all purposes. Haven been in trouble yet and we get checked fairly regularly.
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Originally Posted by Micky Duck
So in the south its all good then as they are one and the same?
:):):(:oh noes:
Wainono....CSIs big waterfowl area is only 5-10kms from Waimate so anything is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnd
they will ga that predations called gsp follower and he,s hungryQuote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
cant agree on rangers not accessing private land
its one law for all and often its the private land shooters who think private ownership is a licence for them to not follow the rules
that and isolation of some propertys
couldn't the property owner or occupier nominate the manager to if theyb weren't hunters
@Gapped axe what about the ranger coming onto your property with a shotgun?
Had this happen back in the late 1980's not sure if the rangers still walk around with shotguns these days.
Was a dispute bad eggs between Dad and the next doors pond. Which lead to a ranger coming to check out our licenses. We where all good. But Dad did say to him not to come back onto his land with a firearm as it was agrivated tresspass! We never saw him again.
Our pond backed onto the Waihou river so he walked up the Queens Chain. One and only time that Ive seen a ranger. But then we did shoot with my Uncle who was a fish ranger in the BOP.
ranging with shotgun in tow is frowned upon...........I was frowned at many times LOL.
Ranging with a firearm or even a dog is a no no. You say he was on public land then he can carry a firearm but not whilst in the role of a Ranger doing his duty. Sounds like you put the shits up him, good bloody job to I would say.
Thanks for the reply @Gapped axe rather interesting that! Lot of water I under the bridge now! When he came into the area of the pond he was on private property! All sold now.
Shame but that’s life ah.
Hope you get out for a bit this season :)
Yeah my crew are getting keen. If we go to level 2 this week, my tam are all going to come down for a working bee. Talking to a F/G councillor last nite, they are backing on a early opening. Hey but who knows but cindy eh. She will already have made her decision, just teasing with an apple, when we go to grab the apple she will replace it with a lemon. We will moan and rant and rage, so she then will pull back the lemon. After a bit the lemon will come back up for a offering and we will grab it and say how lucky we are ffs. Really looking forward to meeting some of the guys on here. Be Prepared Ingrid1 and I will be coming I to see you, cant wait. I think we might even try and organise a Lake Fish from our boats.
Keep on swinging Gapped axe don’t be missing em behind ;)
As a side note to this thread since we still have lock down here in the UK. I’ve been out on our shoot doing all the work. Been rather nice as I can get it all sorted without the townies coming in to do it half assed.
Anyway it’s looking all good even found two pheasant nest and three duck nests:thumbsup:
Nice and warm here so got a nice tan as well.:)
Ha ha, have you been watching me dry practicing in my bed room. One of the better hunters around here asked me if I was going to drop down to 23/4 to try and knock me around, thoughts? Spent 32 k on treatment yesterday, well I spent $22k and you guys paid the other $10k. Last one, that was my budget, I really didn't want to buy this one but the bride wanted one more go. Checked the Bos Welfare Foundation balance last night aNd I see that the farmer I do part time stuff for has put 5 k into my account, this is also on top of a previous donation. I know that she is struggling abit with the lock down rules. Man o man just lost it last night, am now. What unbelievable support. Yesterday both the Southern Cross and Rotorua Public couldnt believe how well I look, mind you not hard I guess as last time I was yellow and in a chair. Look out xmas.
All the best, you have a great outlook. Have a close mate in the same position, just been diagnosed, hope he stays as strong and positive as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe
My son said Dad from now on the good days will be great and the bad days good. He will be here before lunch to give me a hand on the boat and then maybe a walk tonight.
Gapped Axe ,you are an inspiration man......re dropping to 2 3/4" if you go to a 32grm load or even a 30 doing 1500-1550 in size #3 you will kill ducks and parries just fine n dandy.
kent/gamebore make good loads for this...the winchester X Pert despite all the naysayers comments about welding slag shot,kills VERY well...I would go so far as to say the welding slag bit actually HELPS
my take on it is that the oddball shaped bits and different sized shot help to spread you pattern a bit.....like a semi deformed lead pellet would,however it works it kills well. it was the first steel load we used that killed properly/outright and that bit hasnt changed.
the duck load they put out works ok too....but would rate the XPert higher.
Who was your Uncle ? He may of checked me whilst fishing or hunting. I may know of or remember him. Most of the guys I have met are bloody good and fair, if they don't come up to F/G expectations, they don't last long. I was talking to their compliance guy and was very surprised at how few Rangers (honary) ones they actually have because of the strict criteria that has to be met.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
The apple we were expecting at 1300 hrs has now been taken away and a lemon will be offered at 1600hrs. We will see what the lemon will taste like, bet its sourQuote:
Originally Posted by Gapped axe