Thread: no lead from 2021

Much talked about ban is now official

https://fishandgame.org.nz/news/fish...hot-from-2021/

Dino

Had to happen. Don't think I'll ditch the subgauges though.

Guess I wont be shooting ducks anymore then. Stick with upland and the occasional goose or even just shoot geese and no need for a licence

I wonder who will import all the Sub Guage Non toxic shot. No one is yet.

Originally Posted by mikee

Guess I wont be shooting ducks anymore then. Stick with upland and the occasional goose or even just shoot geese and no need for a licence

I wonder who will import all the Sub Guage Non toxic shot. No one is yet.

There'll be none to shoot by then! Steel is wiping out the mallards isn't it?

However hunters using smaller shotguns such as 20 gauge have been exempt, primarily due to the previous limited availability and high price of non-toxic ammunition for these guns.

so Bryce Johnson whats changed.
you said the insignificant number of 20 gauge users was to small to be bothered regulateing. against[

New Zealand scientific studies showed the problem was the same here as in overseas countries,” Mr Johnson says.

Bryce Johnson says extending the non-toxic shot requirement to most shotguns was inevitable.

Right: 20 Gauge ammunition is coloured yellow to differentiate it from other gauges.

“At the moment, nine out of ten of our hunting licence holders already use non-toxic shot because they own 10 or 12 gauge shotguns.

Advances in ammunition manufacture means good quality non-toxic shot is now available for smaller shotguns, so we are asking the small minority left to follow their example,” Mr Johnson says.

1] bullshit how could it be even phil Robertson said how different our birds and hunting conditions/areas were
2] so how many licence holders is that your costing fun fortune and stress as they try and find ammo no bastards gonna bring in for such a tiny market
your tunes changed pretty quick a year or two go stenning and his ilk were fantasists and over stepping their responcibilities to their licence buyers.
same bullshit different idiots
no supply wrong loads in the wrong shot sizes same as the 12.
mark my words nothing will be learned.

I have just purchased a 20, 686 silver pigeon and purchased knowing a ban on lead is likely.

Justified it as I will use it for quail.

I only shoot ducks a bit and will try and source some lead equivalent like tungsten. might be expensive but recoil on steel shot out of 12ga is too much for me!

Dino

Is this ban only over water?

Originally Posted by Pointer

Is this ban only over water?

If I read it correctly its to align to the existing ruling as 10&12 , 200M from water

From the F&G Article:
“Lead shot will be progressively phased out from 2018 for waterfowl hunting over and around large bodies of water, so by the time the 2021 season begins, all hunters will be using non-toxic shot for this type of hunting,” Bryce Johnson says.

Originally Posted by Eyesplice

From the F&G Article:
“Lead shot will be progressively phased out from 2018 for waterfowl hunting over and around large bodies of water, so by the time the 2021 season begins, all hunters will be using non-toxic shot for this type of hunting,” Bryce Johnson says.

sweet we.l give Bryce a ring he,l have asked distributors and importers about whose gonna take up the slack and supply us??............................not fuckin likely

Shortly followed by lead free rifle ammo mark my words, but them we will all either adapt.............................or give up as the case may be

we can learn from our cuzzies across the tasman and get used to throwing bent fuckin sticks at them

From: Don Rood <drood@fishandgame.org.nz>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:55 AM
Subject: Enquiry







Dear Kevin,



Thanks for your email asking about what inquiries were made of importers and distributors about the decision to extend the mandatory use of non-toxic shot for waterfowl hunting to all shotguns except .410s.



Fish & Game has written to all major ammunition importers and retailers to inform them of the decision. In addition, the board of Hunting & Fishing has been briefed on the decision.




Some ammunition importers already have non-toxic sub –gauge ammunition available and internationally, the major ammunition manufacturers in the United States and Europe are already making non-toxic shotgun ammunition in 16, 20, 28 and .410.




This non-toxic shot includes steel, tungsten, tungsten matrix, bismuth and zinc.



The four year phase-in period for the need to use non-toxic shot will allow importers time to adjust their orders and inventory and gauge customer demand for the new ammunition they will need to bring into the country.


If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask,



Regards




Don Rood | Communications Manager

New Zealand Fish & Game Council

Level 1, 2 Jarden Mile, Ngauranga, Wellington | PO Box 13141, Wellington 6440

P +64 4 499 4767 | F +64 4 499 4768

a reply fromf&g and my digs
B]Fish & Game has written to all major ammunition importers and retailers to inform them of the decision. In addition, the board of Hunting & Fishing has been briefed on the decision.
[/B]
arse about face but no surprises there
B]Some ammunition importers already have non-toxic sub –gauge ammunition available [/B]and internationally, the major ammunition manufacturers in the United States and Europe are already making non-toxic shotgun ammunition in 16, 20, 28 and .410..[/B]
who where and not just gq,s private supply of trap loads at a 20 case minimum

B]The four year phase-in period for the need to use non-toxic shot will allow importers time to adjust their orders and inventory and gauge customer demand for the new ammunition they will need to bring into the country.

[/B]
give you just enough time to flick your 20 at a lesser loss than if you wait 4 years for this fallacy to happen

You also ask what information Fish & Game has on how many hunters use sub-gauge shotguns. A 2009 survey of more than a thousand waterfowl hunters showed that the vast majority – 89% - used 12 gauge shotguns.



Only four percent said they used a subgauge – most of them were 20gauge users.



Of the more than a thousand hunters questioned, only five said they used 16g shotguns and three said they used a .410.



Six percent didn’t answer the question or didn’t know what shotgun they used
.[QUOTEThe importer of Federal ammunition is Sportways and that company can supply two different loads;





I hope this helps,

give me fuckin strength a 8 year out of date survey.
.[QUOTEThe importer of Federal ammunition is Sportways and that company can supply two different loads;



Black Cloud Steel 20g 3" 1oz #2 - steel, wad, tightens, patterns, long, range, ... - Sportsways Distributors Ltd



There is also an especially designed 20 ga load for closer range shooting available now in New Zealand;


Black Cloud CLOSE RANGE 20g 3" 1 oz #2 - black, cloud, close, range, put, pellets, ... - Sportsways Distributors Ltd
][/QUOTE]

if its even available I,l know tomorrow but I'm sure they aint cos I bought 3 0f the seven boxes in the country.
but they,re only available in 2,s they kick like 10 bastatrds and are 39 to49 buks a box if you can get them.
as we now know the larger shot sizes are shite for ducks.

Oh well business as usual then

Originally Posted by Pointer

Oh well business as usual then

410s still all go for lead too for your lil one

They'll be banned by 2033 too