Thread: no lead from 2021

Originally Posted by Eyesplice

From the F&G Article:
“Lead shot will be progressively phased out from 2018 for waterfowl hunting over and around large bodies of water, so by the time the 2021 season begins, all hunters will be using non-toxic shot for this type of hunting,” Bryce Johnson says.

sweet we.l give Bryce a ring he,l have asked distributors and importers about whose gonna take up the slack and supply us??............................not fuckin likely

Shortly followed by lead free rifle ammo mark my words, but them we will all either adapt.............................or give up as the case may be

we can learn from our cuzzies across the tasman and get used to throwing bent fuckin sticks at them

From: Don Rood <drood@fishandgame.org.nz>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 11:55 AM
Subject: Enquiry







Dear Kevin,



Thanks for your email asking about what inquiries were made of importers and distributors about the decision to extend the mandatory use of non-toxic shot for waterfowl hunting to all shotguns except .410s.



Fish & Game has written to all major ammunition importers and retailers to inform them of the decision. In addition, the board of Hunting & Fishing has been briefed on the decision.




Some ammunition importers already have non-toxic sub –gauge ammunition available and internationally, the major ammunition manufacturers in the United States and Europe are already making non-toxic shotgun ammunition in 16, 20, 28 and .410.




This non-toxic shot includes steel, tungsten, tungsten matrix, bismuth and zinc.



The four year phase-in period for the need to use non-toxic shot will allow importers time to adjust their orders and inventory and gauge customer demand for the new ammunition they will need to bring into the country.


If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask,



Regards




Don Rood | Communications Manager

New Zealand Fish & Game Council

Level 1, 2 Jarden Mile, Ngauranga, Wellington | PO Box 13141, Wellington 6440

P +64 4 499 4767 | F +64 4 499 4768

a reply fromf&g and my digs
B]Fish & Game has written to all major ammunition importers and retailers to inform them of the decision. In addition, the board of Hunting & Fishing has been briefed on the decision.
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arse about face but no surprises there
B]Some ammunition importers already have non-toxic sub –gauge ammunition available [/B]and internationally, the major ammunition manufacturers in the United States and Europe are already making non-toxic shotgun ammunition in 16, 20, 28 and .410..[/B]
who where and not just gq,s private supply of trap loads at a 20 case minimum

B]The four year phase-in period for the need to use non-toxic shot will allow importers time to adjust their orders and inventory and gauge customer demand for the new ammunition they will need to bring into the country.

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give you just enough time to flick your 20 at a lesser loss than if you wait 4 years for this fallacy to happen

You also ask what information Fish & Game has on how many hunters use sub-gauge shotguns. A 2009 survey of more than a thousand waterfowl hunters showed that the vast majority – 89% - used 12 gauge shotguns.



Only four percent said they used a subgauge – most of them were 20gauge users.



Of the more than a thousand hunters questioned, only five said they used 16g shotguns and three said they used a .410.



Six percent didn’t answer the question or didn’t know what shotgun they used
.[QUOTEThe importer of Federal ammunition is Sportways and that company can supply two different loads;





I hope this helps,

give me fuckin strength a 8 year out of date survey.
.[QUOTEThe importer of Federal ammunition is Sportways and that company can supply two different loads;



Black Cloud Steel 20g 3" 1oz #2 - steel, wad, tightens, patterns, long, range, ... - Sportsways Distributors Ltd



There is also an especially designed 20 ga load for closer range shooting available now in New Zealand;


Black Cloud CLOSE RANGE 20g 3" 1 oz #2 - black, cloud, close, range, put, pellets, ... - Sportsways Distributors Ltd
][/QUOTE]

if its even available I,l know tomorrow but I'm sure they aint cos I bought 3 0f the seven boxes in the country.
but they,re only available in 2,s they kick like 10 bastatrds and are 39 to49 buks a box if you can get them.
as we now know the larger shot sizes are shite for ducks.

oops forgot to add,we prefer size #2 for ducks now after trying loads of other stuff over that 17 year period
the lake we shoot means we either kill em in close or range gets long quickly, the bigger pellets do this well or miss them completely the chance of a canada or 7 also means big pellets pay off for us.

3rd where are the wounded ducks we are supposed to be getting with steel?????? we shoot a lake and have done so for 17 consecutive opeing weekends,this year we found only 1 single wounded bird and that was picked up by my dog,did get 1 single bird from out in the lake but in previous years going back 4 or 5 we would pick up 6-10 each and every time,our son learnt to shoot finishing off woundies from the boat using the wee .410.
4th and last if you want to shoot subguage get off your arse and start putting the hard word on local sports shop to get you in some ammo,or play nice and ask those who say they can get it...

so still with early steel loads??

4th and last if you want to shoot subguage get off your arse and start putting the hard word on local sports shop to get you in some ammo,or play nice and ask those who say they can get it

believe me I'm trying outdoor adventure sports[who deals with fiocchi gamebore others], no local hunting and fishing /nationwide ,no, hull importer no minimum orders required to.
agree steel 2,s In 20 gauge fine on geese but the 20 stringing problems mean 3,s and 4,s are going to be needed.
I think we can agree that fast 3 inch 1 ounce payloads of 2 shot aren't the ideal duckload.