Thread: An open letter to Fish and Game

I don't approve a good part of what is written, and in some cases approve the court actions that FnG are taking against the Federated farmers mafia.

Originally Posted by Friwi

I don't approve a good part of what is written, and in some cases approve the court actions that FnG are taking against the Federated farmers mafia.

Fish and Game has not taken any court action against Federated Farmers, I'm not sure where you got that from.

Fish and Game and the Environmental Defence Society took legal action against Horizons Regional Council for considering the economic implications of both the farmers and the wider community when implementing the 'one plan'.

Fish and Game pulled out of the 'Clean Streams Accord' because they weren't getting everything they wanted. Instead of engaging in discussion they fire pot shots from the side. So far they have just targeted the dairy industry but they are threatening to start a 'dirty dairying 2' campaign against sheep and beef farming because they disapprove of their cropping techniques.

As the letter says, we all want clean water, we are all part of the problem, lets have some meaningful discussion and all be part of the solution.

Originally Posted by Rich007

Fish and Game has not taken any court action against Federated Farmers, I'm not sure where you got that from.

Fish and Game and the Environmental Defence Society took legal action against Horizons Regional Council for considering the economic implications of both the farmers and the wider community when implementing the 'one plan'.

Fish and Game pulled out of the 'Clean Streams Accord' because they weren't getting everything they wanted. Instead of engaging in discussion they fire pot shots from the side. So far they have just targeted the dairy industry but they are threatening to start a 'dirty dairying 2' campaign against sheep and beef farming because they disapprove of their cropping techniques.

As the letter says, we all want clean water,we are all part of the problem, lets have some meaningful discussion and all be part of the solution.

no they pulled out because they saw it for what it is [ so did forest and bird] a thinly disguised sop to do fuck all but look like its doing a lot.
i agree with a bit of what fed farmers say ie many oportunitys are given to hunters and anglers but many are held for guides and overseas hunters to.
its not rocket science to realise that there are certain areas and soil types where dairy farming shouldnt be.

my uncle was a cow cockie and i have fond memories of time at the various farms but if he for one minute thought he was damaging fish or fowl, he,d a moved elsewhere or packed it in mad keen duckshooter and fisho that he was
.

we are all part of the problem,

true but im not geting 5 to 600 of my mates to shit and piss in the same 2 acre paddock every 14 days maybe 21.
and carrying that on to every paddock on the joint.
is this the best we can do the stink of cowshit 24/7 and shredded truck tires from one end of the country to the other???

As the letter says, we all want clean water,we are all part of the problem,]

cartainly us to swim in farmers so it doesnt clog the irrigators'
but does thier need for it for private gain out wiegh our rights??
considering how much foriegn labour they and farming orientated bussinesses are bringing in, i sometimes struggle to see a upside.
add that to the bald faced cheek of pinching river margin or river land cos they sucked dry the river and fed farmers methink doth protest to much.

One of the key outcomes of the clean streams accord was an agreement to fence off all dairy farm waterways in order to reduce faecal contamination (through stopping dairy cows having direct access to waterways) and reduced Phosphate leaching into waterways (through the creation of riparian buffer zones). As of last year 99% of dairy farm waterways have now been fenced. It is now a condition of supply for all of the major dairy companies.

It sounds like plenty has been achieved to me. Still plenty more to go though.

Back in your uncles day they built their cowsheds next to the closet stream and hosed the effluent straight into it. These days effluent is collected and applied to the land at a time when the soil has the ability to absorb it and the pastures roots can uptake the nutrients and use them for growth. We are now required to have 90 days of effluent storage and must prove that our ponds do not leak.

Back in the day dairy farmers had little understanding of their environmental impact beyond their physical farm, but as we have learnt more about it we have adjusted our systems (most by choice and some by the use of a stick) and as a result our per cow and per kg of product nutrient losses has decreased significantly. There is a computer programme called 'Overseer' (developed by Agresearch) which models a farms nutrient losses and as a result can provide options for altering the farming system/infrastructure to reduce nutrient losses while still maintaining profitability. Eg changing the rate/timing of fertiliser inputs, changing effluent system, building a feedpad/cow barn to capture more 'piss and shit' as effluent.

You might not be "geting 5 to 600 of my mates to shit and piss in a different 2 acre paddock every 14 days maybe 21.
then startin at that paddock again depending on which rotation they are in". But I'll remind you that a lot (not all and this is part of what we need to work on) of the nutrients in this 'piss and shit' are captured by the pasture and used for growth. When you shit and piss where does it go? Unless you have a modern sewerage system that has kept up with population growth, then whenever you have more than 5mm of rain there is a good chance that it will find it's way (in it's raw state) into the nearest waterway. Where does your storm water go? If you really care about water quality then perhaps these are questions that you should be asking your local council and then perhaps suggest what you as a rate payer should be contributing additional money for????

Like I said we are all part of the problem, lets have a mature conversation about how we can all be part of the solution......

Originally Posted by gsp follower

no they pulled out because they saw it for what it is [ so did forest and bird] a thinly disguised sop to do fuck all but look like its doing a lot.
i agree with a bit of what fed farmers say ie many oportunitys are given to hunters and anglers but many are held for guides and overseas hunters to.
its not rocket science to realise that there are certain areas and soil types where dairy farming shouldnt be.
my uncle was a cow cockie and i have fond memories of time at the various farms but if he for one minute thought he was damaging fish or fowl, he,d a moved elsewhere or packed it in mad keen duckshooter and fisho that he was
.
true but im not geting 5 to 600 of my mates to shit and piss in a different 2 acre paddock every 14 days maybe 21.
then startin at that paddock again depending on which rotation they are in

Originally Posted by Rich007

As of last year 99% of dairy farm waterways have now been fenced.

Wow! So how do I have the misfortune of having absolutely all of the 1% that isn't fenced nationally all in my area.

That's the trouble with statistics ... you can make of them what you want.

Originally Posted by akaroa1

Wow! So how do I have the misfortune of having absolutely all of the 1% that isn't fenced nationally all in my area.

That's the trouble with statistics ... you can make of them what you want.

This might be an issue around the definition of a 'waterway' - IIRC a 'waterway' is 3m+ wide and contains water year round.

I agree with some of your points! But when it costs me 25K to install an surge system for my 4 bedroom x 5 person occupation home (2 week old quote) don't cry to me! 600 milkers, that's $3,000,000 at the same rate!!! Who is pulling their weight? Remember, the buy product of my shit is shit, yours is money! Don't Fxxx me off with short sightedness and greed!

Originally Posted by Rich007

Back in your uncles day

Oh how patronising ... you forgot to mention just how big some herds are ... some are in excess of 2000+ ... for crying out loud ...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Oh how patronising ... you forgot to mention just how big some herds are ... some are in excess of 2000+ ... for crying out loud ...

Did you read the post I was quoting?