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Originally Posted by dogmatix
I cant see any reference to this or any other forum?
Nor I...
Better to build 4 more nesting boxes in anticipation, you can bitch.moan,feel sick, protest, ring a few necks,and have an expensive enquiry, but you can't bring them back,
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no @dogmatix I cant either...
Oh Doc who the fuck is killing our birds now? Yes Doc you employed them. Four protected birds shot and no one gives a fuck about how many they 1080.....burp!
I haven't read all the posts yet:(
Bloody idoits they were told to shoot flying birds only ,they didnt follow instructions ........the public will think all hunters are idoits ...kick the sods in the arse they morons
He who controls the media controls what the public are made to believe,yes it is sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dundee
a little harsh toby i feel the same way about some silly plant they were wipin out the kaimanawa horses for.Quote:
Who cares? Honestly how many of you would even know they didnt exsist anymore if they all died and no one said a thing. Better things to spend money and time on rather then 250 fucking birds
but if it was say the last 250 wild pheasants or canadas even parries,id be screamin blue bloody murder.
perhaps the should have got fish and game shooters who i imagine would be fairly conscious of the shoot in flight rules??
perhaps the poor deer hunters thought they were popin the fattest trophy pooks they,d ever seen.??:yaeh am not durnk:
its not funny:oh noes: well it kind of is:ORLY: to see doc and ngai tahu stampin its feet over 4 rare birds givin 1080 and pidgygate.
''what did sony tau say when caught at customs in the republic of southland''' you could have knocked me over with a feather'':yaeh am not durnk:
he wouldnt have got up easily either loaded down as he was :O_O:
What even is that argument? errr they are nzda shooters thats why they shot the wrong bird derpp
Just cause they are NZDA members doesnt mean they only go deer hunting ffs
Pretty poor showing, from both DOC and the NZDS, screening should be on an individual basis for people involved around delicate species like that. 4/250-300 gone is a huge blow to the species.
Whats the bet all 4 were done by 1 knobhead with an itchy finger
I think your onto it Nick, a shoot up for the boys, with the circumstances there should have been vetting of the shooters, if there was they need an internal enquiry as to who fucked up:ORLY:
Pay peanuts you get monkeys.
Actually, the fellow that discovered the Takahe was Edgar Williams. He told Orbell where they were and Orbell , being s "scientist" went and "officially re-discovered them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shift14
Be interesting to see the official NZDA version of events.
IF IT TWERE ME ID BE SAYING ''BOSS I THOUGHT IT WAS A FUCKIN HYBRID''Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
''i must of mistook its jumpin and wing flappin for flyin''
''thought the only reason it twerent flyin was cos it was to fat'':sick:
Apparently NZDA members have been involved in more than one of these culls and there have been no mishaps...
I'm curious to hear the NZDA version because the birds weren't reported until DoC found them a couple of days later via their attached transmitters. That would indicate to me that the person or persons who shot the birds either did not confirm the kills or deliberately did not report they had killed birds carrying transmitters.
Have the birds been autopsied and confirmed killed by shotgun pellets?
Is it possible there were other "unofficial" shooters on the island either before or after the cull?
is it a possible set-up?
It seems very fishy to me that official NZDA hunters did deliberately not report a mistake immediately, because they must surely have known the transmitters and birds would be found and quite apart from that fact, would presumably have been of good character to even be nominated by their branch to undertake the task. (Stupid decision as that may be--.)
I think it all comes down to the media Woody. We are never told the truth.They just want there story.
I'm sure Mr O'Leary will fully investigate, hopefully along with police and forensic scientists independent of DoC , Media or extreme greens. The truth will be interesting.
The truth will be buried! God I'm a cynical bastard, I must change my mind set, I must change my mine set, I must change my mine set..........hahahahahahaha
Woody, do you think they were shot from a grassy knoll, or book depository? >winkyface<
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Originally Posted by Dundee
Headline news:
Media reports the truth. Yeah right!!! Theres a Tui ad for you if ever I saw one.
they can never let the truth get in the way of a story.
I don't blame you. be careful though cos I'm a 1080 terrorist "person of interest". Buggered if I know why though :ninj:
Goes to show how screwed up the cops are if your a " person of interest" obviously they haven't travelled far in a car with you!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Woody
The grassy knoll! The book depository was a decoy, a red heron so to speak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
Oh, undoubtably a co-operative effort old chap :roll:
Possibly shot from a helicopter bucket stained green!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
Don't forget the Kiwi's killed on Little barrier Island which DoC conveniently omitted to report until weeks later when a weed spraying crew found them.
Or the penguins poisoned with brodifacoum in the gulf.
Or the fallow herds at Wakatipu and the Blue Mountains
Or Zealandia poisoning the Karori with Derris dust to kill the brown trout (and everything else), with DoC's blessing.
Or the thousands of Weka and Ruru wiped out
Or the rat plagues that occur after 1080 drops
Or the imminent 1080drop by TB Free and DoC over the Whirinaki Forest park, where there are no farms.
Pollution of rivers with poisoned rotting carcasses
etc etc etc
Very witty, Maca...Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
From the email sent out to all NZDA members, Bill O'Leary has conceded that a Department of Conservation investigation will determine that the birds were killed by a member or members of the association.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Im reading from this, that the guilty party/s has already been man enough and admitted fault and unless Bill just bought a jumbo box of tin foil it's not saying DOC is going to push NZDA under the bus regardless.
oh yes and while were about it .lets not forget DOCs ownership and efforts building the so called viewing platform at cave creek on theQuote:
Originally Posted by Woody
west coast. Puit together with 4"nails which led to 14people losing their lives as the bloody thing fell into the ravine!
Yes, I see what you mean kiwijames. however, I will reserve judgement until I know for sure NZDA hunters have admitted the killings. birds which have transmitters fitted and regularly get handled by humans get stressed and mortality is not uncommon as a result. At present the information available to us (the public) is far too vague to draw a proper conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
In saying this; if it is properly established that NZDA persons DID kill those birds, then I will feel deep regrets for NZDA. But the loss of those birds is a sad thing for all NZ, regardless of cause.
Yes, sad for sure. There will be no winner from any outcome and I hope the people do not get vilified like in the ridiculous Cecil debacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
If this mortality is the case, then have they or not confirmed whether the birds were shot or simply found dead? Would the noise of shotguns be enough to stress them out to a fatal extent? Autopsies? If this is the case then perhaps they will need to consider a more delicate approach to pukeko control...Quote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Grass grubs laced with 1080?
Until we hear the full detailed report then all things are possible timattalon.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
I believe the first thing I read about it said shotgun pellets found in birds, I will try and find it. Could still be sensationalism though
They were found with shotgun pellets inside them.
FFS IQ levels have dropped recently. DOC confirms it, NZDA confirms it. How hard is it to understand ?????Quote:
DOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets.
[QUOTEDOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets][/QUOTE]
you cant get much past those doc boys :D
except maybe common sence the truth and political nuetrality;)
you,ve obviously never heartd of stompers woody:yaeh am not durnk:Quote:
is it a possible set-up?
It seems very fishy to me that official NZDA hunters did deliberately not report a mistake immediately,
You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease