Is there a lawyer out there???!

This bull with Fish & Game. Is there a lawyer out there who will help Southland.
He will help the National hunter in the end.
The expense for a Lawyer to take Fish&Game on to stop the BAN of the sub gauge.(Needs legal help)
This is only the start of the rot. I have posted on lead shot and the response is not good.
Out of 1500 or so Hunters on this forum, I don’t want to flog the subject.
I have listened to all the big talk when it came to stopping the steel for the 12g and it didn’t happen as we all know.
It’s a hard road to hoe,100 license holders said they would go to the F&G meeting by bus, Gore district may well be the heart of the sub gauge.
The bus was put on and about ten went on the bus. The truth she be OK well it won’t.
I can give more on this Lead over water if you want.
By the way has anyone read Paul Stennings Articles on steel??
The July meeting needs a big turn out.I hope we get it. Southland F&G are a law unto them selfs.:pissed off:

Good luck with that KH. Apathy is a bitch.

And its only the start.Watch the other areas get told that sub guage bans coming their way as well. It ll happen . They ll see it as another way to appease the "Carrot Peeling Hippy" freaks (as good man Pete would say)
that are against our sport and only eat meat that was born at the supermarket on a tray covered in plastic not ever actually alive.

:ninj:

Attachment 7782

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rushy

Good luck with that KH. Apathy is a bitch.

---

Thanks for the support, But it's not me alone, this belongs to the wrights of all those who suck air going up hill.
If it's not lead shot it's some other crap, take the semi auto's don't smoke, don't think for your self.
Its about choice take the pioneer sprit away.
Don’t grow the vegetable we will feed you with our intellect which is genetically modified- Adam and Eve :wtfsmilie:NOT Adam and Steve social engineering.
While on this one, born to Man and Woman , ADAM & STEVE can't have, so don't feed me the, I was born this way.
The only pistol I can hold is below the hip shit.

KNOW where I am coming from, its not the last down poor.:o

What?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiwi-Hunter

Thanks for the support, But it's not me alone, this belongs to the wrights of all those who suck air going up hill.
If it's not lead shot it's some other crap, take the semi auto's don't smoke, don't think for your self.
Its about choice take the pioneer sprit away.
Don’t grow the vegetable we will feed you with our intellect which is genetically modified- Adam and Eve :wtfsmilie:NOT Adam and Steve social engineering.
While on this one, born to Man and Woman , ADAM & STEVE can't have, so don't feed me the, I was born this way.
The only pistol I can hold is below the hip shit.

KNOW where I am coming from, its not the last down poor.:o

---

So what does someones sexual orientation have to do with banning lead shot in sub-guage shotties?? :wtfsmilie:

This is a hunting forum mate that is also supposed to be free of political shite. If you want to go on about all that crap go over to the the 'other' forum.

Is your tinfoil hat fitting a little bit too tight?

In the original recommendations/strategy about changing 12 guage to steel shot only, it was stated that 20 guage guns were not numerous enough nor were there enough options in regards to availbility of suitable non-toxic cartridges for the 20g to be included in that first phase out of lead shot usage. But in the case where 20g usage became more common and better non-toxic shot became available (at the point we are now), that the eventual phase in of non-toxic shot in 20g would be implemented. Unfortunately it was in the pipeline at the very beginning, they've just decided to follow through with it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bryan

So what does someones sexual orientation have to do with banning lead shot in sub-guage shotties?? :wtfsmilie:

This is a hunting forum mate that is also supposed to be free of political shite. If you want to go on about all that crap go over to the the 'other' forum.

---

The point is not the sexual orientation it's the Social engineering I hate.When we are pushed to the side. F&G are there with our dollar to speak on our behalf, that hasn't happened in Southland.
We are the start of more crap.They have banned Duck shooting in parts of Australia.
This is just the start banning lead shot over water I have posted on 29 country's and there may be more that's only to 2008. The ban goe's onto all lead and that include's clay birds.
I am not here to beat up on this subject either,But hunters need to be know what's happened world wide.
This started with the United Nation's. The AEWA came into being out of of a meeting 1988
The reason for the ban of lead ammunition was most often due to concerns over populations of waterfowl or avian scavengers.
Many countries created legislation in response to the African-Eurasian Waterfowl Agreement’s (AEWA) recommendation for the use of nontoxic shot over wetlands.

http://www.peregrinefund.org/subsite...15%20Avery.pdf

Riiiight, so you're basically one of those disarmament conspiracy theorists and a homophobe as well, but you'd like other "sane" people to join your crusade ?

Good luck :thumbsup:

Every day in every country
Good luck with this:thumbsup:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiwi-Hunter

The point is not the sexual orientation it's the Social engineering I hate.When we are pushed to the side. F&G are there with our dollar to speak on our behalf, that hasn't happened in Southland.
We are the start of more crap.They have banned Duck shooting in parts of Australia.
This is just the start banning lead shot over water I have posted on 29 country's and there may be more that's only to 2008. The ban goe's onto all lead and that include's clay birds.
I am not here to beat up on this subject either,But hunters need to be know what's happened world wide.
This started with the United Nation's. The AEWA came into being out of of a meeting 1988
The reason for the ban of lead ammunition was most often due to concerns over populations of waterfowl or avian scavengers.
Many countries created legislation in response to the African-Eurasian Waterfowl Agreement’s (AEWA) recommendation for the use of nontoxic shot over wetlands.

http://www.peregrinefund.org/subsite...15%20Avery.pdf

---

I got your message Kiwihunter --social engineering ---and it had fuck all to do with sex -amazing how the politically correct want to jump on you for what ever comment .
What would be an idea is to engage a lawyer and then see if you can raise funds through the site via Spanners to fight this .

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by el borracho

I got your message Kiwihunter --social engineering ---and it had fuck all to do with sex -amazing how the politically correct want to jump on you for what ever comment .
What would be an idea is to engage a lawyer and then see if you can raise funds through the site via Spanners to fight this .

---

Just to note the steel has happened with you guy's in only some states.
I see Iowa over turned it in 2011 the ban they had on lead with dove hunting.
So things can be turned around.
But I can tell by this forum so far it's a lame responce.
Thanks for the comment.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by el borracho

I got your message Kiwihunter --social engineering ---and it had fuck all to do with sex -amazing how the politically correct want to jump on you for what ever comment .
What would be an idea is to engage a lawyer and then see if you can raise funds through the site via Spanners to fight this .

---

What are you on about?? if it has fuck all to do with sexual orientation then why the fuck bring it up in a hunting forum, that is what this is remember?

I completely agree with Kiwihunter regarding the banning of lead, its complete bollocks, but the rest of what he is on about is utter giberish and detracts away from what his 'real' argument is. It is hard to take a man seriously when he is ranting like a narrow minded, conspiracy theorist, homophobic southlander.

[QUOTE=Bryan;91700]What are you on about?? if it has fuck all to do with sexual orientation then why the fuck bring it up in a hunting forum, that is what this is remember?

I completely agree with Kiwihunter regarding the banning of lead, its complete bollocks, but the rest of what he is on about is utter giberish and detracts away from what his 'real' argument is. It is hard to take a man seriously when he is ranting like a narrow minded, conspiracy theorist, homophobic southlander.[/QUOTE



his comments were about how things become socially engineered -the example doesn't really matter as it was just an example of how SE softens the views of the masses - conspiracy theorist is far to strong of a thing to say given the very real reality gripping the shooting world with these already banned shot weights and others that are to come .I might suggest you appreciate the mans comments rather than tall poppy cut him as so many that are so active being inactive tend to do

Oh Dear
Should I just stick to the lead then?


Issue Brief Citizen Security | UNDP

http://27.124.119.225/~nsanzorg/smf/...php?topic=23.0

You started off on F&G lead ban now your everywhere else and you wonder why people aren't going to take you seriously here?

[QUOTE=el borracho;91706]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bryan

What are you on about?? if it has fuck all to do with sexual orientation then why the fuck bring it up in a hunting forum, that is what this is remember?

I completely agree with Kiwihunter regarding the banning of lead, its complete bollocks, but the rest of what he is on about is utter giberish and detracts away from what his 'real' argument is. It is hard to take a man seriously when he is ranting like a narrow minded, conspiracy theorist, homophobic southlander.[/QUOTE

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bryan

his comments were about how things become socially engineered -the example doesn't really matter as it was just an example of how SE softens the views of the masses - conspiracy theorist is far to strong of a thing to say given the very real reality gripping the shooting world with these already banned shot weights and others that are to come .I might suggest you appreciate the mans comments rather than tall poppy cut him as so many that are so active being inactive tend to do

---

I know where you are coming from el borracho, I just think kiwihunters choice of words and examples are inflammatory and detract from his actual arguement. It all comes off as a big rant rather than a cohesive, thought out arguement.

I agree it is a slippery slope with regards to further regulations.

As for the tall puppy comment...don't be so quick to judge about others being inactive on these topics (and others), as you have no idea what other members do outside of this forum.

Putting this on paper is not my strongest qualification.
I was working by the time I was 15.
The school side in my life was left out.
So how it come's is what you get.
A least I am trying to give it a go.

:patapon: I (being brilliant in all areas cos left school at 15.5) couldnt make hide nor hare outa some of this :Don’t grow the vegetable we will feed you with our intellect which is genetically modified = Not understanding
While on this one, born to Man and Woman , ADAM & STEVE can't have, so don't feed me the, I was born this way.
The only pistol I can hold is below the hip shit. = :wtfsmilie:

Please to be writing in engrish ...... I missed the boat entirely on those two..

I don't know a lot about the subject but from a basic simplified view that the general public will hold is that there is no reason to be firing toxic lead into the waterways for sport when there are alternatives.

Like I said, I know very little but this is what the public perception will be and that is what it comes down to.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Savage1

I don't know a lot about the subject but from a basic simplified view that the general public will hold is that there is no reason to be firing toxic lead into the waterways for sport when there are alternatives.

Like I said, I know very little but this is what the public perception will be and that is what it comes down to.

---

Perhaps a little over simplified but yeah. Next thing though is bird populations shrinking and steel shot is great for some but a major head fuc and wicked wounder for others.
Not quite that simple when change happens and the ramifications are not what was expected.. Duck Shooters are a passionate lot... Read whats happened in Aussie regarding greenies killing the sport off nearly
its a funny old topic with lots happening in the background ..

Too many bitches getting there way. Go look at some comments on youtube stupid fuckwits look up hunting videos just to say the hunter should be killed. I hate those people with a passion.

[QUOTE=Bryan;91718]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by el borracho

[COLOR="#FF0000"]

I know where you are coming from el borracho, I just think kiwihunters choice of words and examples are inflammatory and detract from his actual arguement. It all comes off as a big rant rather than a cohesive, thought out arguement.

I agree it is a slippery slope with regards to further regulations.

As for the tall puppy comment...don't be so quick to judge about others being inactive on these topics (and others), as you have no idea what other members do outside of this forum.

---

fair enough

heres another wee idea for all you "shagged" southland shooters.get sufficient numbers ,file a motion to declare a "special general meeting", then confront this bunch of autocrats with the fact youre highly pissed of with their actions -present your "please explain;" when theyve finished bleating ,as their employers(yes your bloody shooters fees pay them ,and your votes put em there) ;confront em, with a mass vote of "no confidence". if nothing else it'll provoke a collaborative arse twitching session and make this pack of zealots realise theyre on notice.get themedia there too,just so the antics are well publicised. gives you a bit of breathing space before thoughts &costs of a legal challenge.

Quote:

---

don't know a lot about the subject but from a basic simplified view that the general public will hold is that there is no reason to be firing toxic lead into the waterways for sport when there are alternatives.

---

i,l bet you anything you like lead in the waterways now has nothing to do with lead shot.give the public some credit why do you think f&g are costantly pushing dirty dairying and councill spills to the fore ??
because people are clued up enough to see the difference between a little lead[remember 95% of gunners have been lead free since 2005] that may or may not create a problem and 10,000 litres per day per farm of liquid cow crap leaking into waterways not to mention massive water use and huge chemical fertalizer use .:wtfsmilie:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kotuku

heres another wee idea for all you "shagged" southland shooters.get sufficient numbers ,file a motion to declare a "special general meeting", then confront this bunch of autocrats with the fact youre highly pissed of with their actions -present your "please explain;" when theyve finished bleating ,as their employers(yes your bloody shooters fees pay them ,and your votes put em there) ;confront em, with a mass vote of "no confidence". if nothing else it'll provoke a collaborative arse twitching session and make this pack of zealots realise theyre on notice.get themedia there too,just so the antics are well publicised. gives you a bit of breathing space before thoughts &costs of a legal challenge.

---

Thanks for the input this sort of post is what will help make things happen
cheers

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gsp follower

i,l bet you anything you like lead in the waterways now has nothing to do with lead shot.give the public some credit why do you think f&g are costantly pushing dirty dairying and councill spills to the fore ??
because people are clued up enough to see the difference between a little lead[remember 95% of gunners have been lead free since 2005] that may or may not create a problem and 10,000 litres per day per farm of liquid cow crap leaking into waterways not to mention massive water use and huge chemical fertalizer use .:wtfsmilie:

---

Thanks

lets remember though that we are NOT disputing the fact that LEAD is a toxin.
"What is in dispute was that an elected body consulted its members and interested parties ,but on analysing the feedback and realising it was not what was in fact to their satisfaction,WILFULLY indulged in highly dubious and manipulative tactics to support enacting what is an unwanted measure at this time."
KH -that is the substance of your vote of no confidence.

I think what people are forgetting is that lead is bad for the environment and for several links in the ecosystem. Having said that I'm not entirely convinced that steel is an appropriate alternative, especially in areas with high shooter densities.
its probably around 10 years or so since steel replaced lead in Victoria here. Its terrible, hits like a slap from an old lady and some old shotguns can't use it. My argument would be one of which has been mentioned that there are far more important and degrading environmental issues going on in the world.
i had a vegetarian anti hunter tearing strips off me one day until I got it out of her that her protein came from soy. So I can't hunt my own meat but you're happy for thousands of acres of rain forest to be cleared every year ton get your soy plantations in? Palm oil is the same. Give em that next time.

just one more on the topic of duck hunting, here in Vic were fortunate enough to have a guy called Laurie levy, our states own anti duck man. Last year a protester was accidently shot while illegally coming into a swamp during a shoot (only licensed duck hunterrs may be in a swamp until 10:30) and after he failed to put blame on us hrs come up with a new plan that departs from their normative behaviour of waiting for a hunter to wing a bird and rush over and grab it before the hunter gets there and then refusing to give it to the hunter just to prove we're cruel and unmerciless people. Anyway this year he has protesters with duck hunting and gun licenses that will be spying and protesting undercover trying to catch us doing the wrong we apparently do every time we go out. Also should mention with all the lost ducks and the wounded ones they steal they throw them on parliament house steps to rot and show that we're cruel?

I would love to see you guys keep steel but it could be much worse!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter

I think what people are forgetting is that lead is bad for the environment and for several links in the ecosystem. Having said that I'm not entirely convinced that steel is an appropriate alternative, especially in areas with high shooter densities.
its probably around 10 years or so since steel replaced lead in Victoria here. Its terrible, hits like a slap from an old lady and some old shotguns can't use it. My argument would be one of which has been mentioned that there are far more important and degrading environmental issues going on in the world.
i had a vegetarian anti hunter tearing strips off me one day until I got it out of her that her protein came from soy. So I can't hunt my own meat but you're happy for thousands of acres of rain forest to be cleared every year ton get your soy plantations in? Palm oil is the same. Give em that next time.

just one more on the topic of duck hunting, here in Vic were fortunate enough to have a guy called Laurie levy, our states own anti duck man. Last year a protester was accidently shot while illegally coming into a swamp during a shoot (only licensed duck hunterrs may be in a swamp until 10:30) and after he failed to put blame on us hrs come up with a new plan that departs from their normative behaviour of waiting for a hunter to wing a bird and rush over and grab it before the hunter gets there and then refusing to give it to the hunter just to prove we're cruel and unmerciless people. Anyway this year he has protesters with duck hunting and gun licenses that will be spying and protesting undercover trying to catch us doing the wrong we apparently do every time we go out. Also should mention with all the lost ducks and the wounded ones they steal they throw them on parliament house steps to rot and show that we're cruel?

I would love to see you guys keep steel but it could be much worse!

---

Wicked, your own hippy gun dog cross. If you could teach him to soft mouth the bird and return it to you it sounds perfect.

id get a couple of attacked trained crocs for your swamp and when this womble comes a trottin through the swamp let em out for a play-after allall three are as much use to you as a condomsalesman in a convent ,so why not let em fuck each other!!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MassiveAttack

Wicked, your own hippy gun dog cross. If you could teach him to soft mouth the bird and return it to you it sounds perfect.

---

e collar :burnt:

And to guard your house against homosexuals hunting kiwis with steel. Wait, I'm lost.