Thread: 1080 KILLING FISH

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I hope you used your vote against it.
I did and will accept no whingeing whatsoever about 1080 from people who didn't use their vote appropriately.

I saw the article about that on three news tonight. What can a long time opponent say except "we bloody told them so"

Where were the fish being killed?

IMMEDIATE RELEASE 26th September, 2014

ANGLERS ADVISED NOT TO EAT TROUT IN 1080 AREAS

With the fishing season opening in just a few days (1 October 2014), anglers are being warned by the Department of Conservation(DOC) not to eat trout from pristine backcountry waters and their downstream catchments, where the department is conducting 1080 poisoning operations.

In response to publicly expressed concerns by the New Zealand Federation of Freshwater Anglers, and supported by Fish & Game New Zealand, DOC commissioned research by the independent Cawthron Research Institute on the risks of mice carrying sub-lethal levels of 1080, and which are routinely consumed by trout, becoming a food safety risk for humans.

Chief executive of Fish & Game New Zealand, Bryce Johnson says “The results indicate that, 1080 levels in trout flesh were significantly in excess of recognised Food Safety guidelines(FSA) for safe human health and DOC is now having to advise anglers not to eat trout caught in 1080 poisoned catchments, until advised otherwise.”

“Anglers fishing back country waters, including overseas anglers who come here because of the trout fishery’s international reputation, have always been able to assume that it is totally safe to catch a trout and eat it. Sadly, this turns that over and is not a good look for New Zealand’s 100% pure environmental brand.”

The massive poisoning operation being conducted by DOC, is in response to the anticipated ‘mouse plague’ caused by the cyclic production of beech seeds in native forests, for which this year is a high point.

“While we understand why DoC is doing this, the findings from this recent research has added a very significant and concerning new dimension to the 1080 debate”, said Mr Johnson.

Fish & Game also believe the ramifications of this extend well beyond just the poison sites, and Mr Johnson added he was pleased DOC has investigated the anglers concerns, accepted the research findings and has taken the lead in managing the consequences.

Mr Johnson says that while he realises the timing, so close to the season opening is unfortunate, his organisation has been left with no choice, but to support this advisory from DoC, and adds that “further research, to more closely simulate the natural, wild environment is needed, to provide a more accurate picture of the risks.”

“Fish and game is not saying don’t go fishing in the back country, just don’t eat the fish.”

ENDS

FURTHER INFORMATION
Bryce Johnson chief executive Fish & Game NZ Mob: 021397897 bjohnson@fishandgame.org.nz
Andrew Currie South Island communications advisor Mob: 021 646245 acurrie@fishandgame.org.nz

So how long before we start to regularly see the effects of this in humans, It is already happening and will only get worse as the causes are identified.

Nzs agent orange and formaldehyde.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So how long before we start to regularly see the effects of this in humans, It is already happening and will only get worse as the causes are identified.

Nzs agent orange and formaldehyde.

Care to publish this data Cam? As much as I like you mate there is WAY too much emotion and far to little FACT. I was on the other side of the fence too but this shit has been dumped across NZ for a little while aye. Yet to see a negative, unless you count the rhetoric and anguish and I see far too many supposed hunters using 1080 as a selfish excuse for plainly being a shit hunter. We see plenty of the crap up here too and honestly, the hunting gets better every year.
Even this thread starts off "1080 KILLING FISH" and yet there is not one dead fish? Standard drama queen anti 1080 attitude?

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Care to publish this data Cam? As much as I like you mate there is WAY too much emotion and far to little FACT. I was on the other side of the fence too but this shit has been dumped across NZ for a little while aye. Yet to see a negative, unless you count the rhetoric and anguish and I see far too many supposed hunters using 1080 as a selfish excuse for plainly being a shit hunter. We see plenty of the crap up here too and honestly, the hunting gets better every year.
Even this thread starts off "1080 KILLING FISH" and yet there is not one dead fish? Standard drama queen anti 1080 attitude?

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc! If it's that good for the environment saving birds and all that bullshit,why isn't it beeing used in Europe,Canada or North America say?
I'm all for protecting certain species but not at the expense of others and certainly not with poisons,it is bad enough that the hauraki gulf will be polluted within the next 20 years due to farm run offs and fertilisers from the Waikato region,how do we explain this to do youngsters?

why isn't it being used in Europe,Canada or North America say?

New Zealand is unique as it has no native terrestrial mammals, by targeting introduced mammals it gives NZ a disproportionate share of the world wide usage.
Other countries simply aren't faced with the same bio diversity challenges. I would say it has little to do with any argument over toxicity, it is simply very effective to their native mammals.

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc!

There is no argument about 1080 being toxic, I think people here are more interested in questioning its persistence in the environment post application.
The protective gear worn is simply best practice and no different to that worn by people applying pesticides to fruit and vegetables.

Originally Posted by Moutere

New Zealand is unique as it has no native terrestrial mammals, by targeting introduced mammals it gives NZ a disproportionate share of the world wide usage.
Other countries simply aren't faced with the same bio diversity challenges. I would say it has little to do with any argument over toxicity, it is simply very effective to their native mammals.




There is no argument about 1080 being toxic, I think people here are more interested in questioning its persistence in the environment post application.
The protective gear worn is simply best practice and no different to that worn by people applying pesticides to fruit and vegetables.

Snap

Originally Posted by mayfly

Ask your self this,if 1080 isn't that bad for humans,why do the operators wear protective gear,face asks etc! If it's that good for the environment saving birds and all that bullshit,why isn't it beeing used in Europe,Canada or North America say?
I'm all for protecting certain species but not at the expense of others and certainly not with poisons,it is bad enough that the hauraki gulf will be polluted within the next 20 years due to farm run offs and fertilisers from the Waikato region,how do we explain this to do youngsters?

Yet another dumb argument. FFS oxygen and water in high enough concentrations are toxic too.
They wear PPE because it's a POISON. No one ever disputed this.
The facts are that it is the BEST tool available with the LEAST impact per Ha.
It is not used in the places you list because there eco systems are completely different.
Runoff into the gulf is a completely different kettle of fish. I may as well bring the concept of water on Mars into this for the same amount of context.

It's the same old head banging bollox over and over.
Prove a less toxic, lower impact method that NZ can afford and I'll stand behind you 100%.

It's the same old head banging bollox over and over.
Prove a less toxic, lower impact method that NZ can afford and I'll stand behind you 100%.[/QUOTE]

I'm really keen to understand why the ARC that runs the operations for the Waitakere Ranges park up here uses a completely different poison to DOC????

I understand they use Brodificoum in bait stations, Timms traps and pest controllers and they seem to have increased the number of desired Birdlife under their watch in conjunction with DOC in ARK in the Park. Whereas DOC seems to have lost its imagination and just bulk drops on areas to lay waste to them in a slash and burn mentality.

I don't get it... DOC are meant to be the caretakers but 200+ years of trying that approach has only proved one thing that mother nature will bounce back - its just the things we don't want seem to procreate and thrive back the best. Talk about screwing the scrum in their favor....

Where does it say that trout are dying?

It doesn't, it says don't eat them.
Of course everyone in the country who may eat a trout will be fully aware of this because all outdoors people follow current affairs relentlessly
So we can all be confident nobody will eat a trout(or eel or koura) by accident that has dangerous levels of 1080 with all the high level publicity

they warn you not to eat deer out of 1080 drop areas too for a period of time, same reason, not exactly some big dramatic mystery or new thing