Thread: Eugenie Sage wants to Ban Whitebaiting

@R93 if you use the why now bit then you'll find many useful and helpful things wouldn't get done as it's worked up until now.

I think 300wsm is in a reasonable position. There needs to be some sort of well thought out system put in place so people can enjoy the resource. It would be a shame for it to wither away from greed.

Yes both have brought something meaningful to the table. Good to see a nice debate going on without anyone throwing their toys out of the sand pit
Why now argument is because the population now is higher than 200 years ago.
I think if you half the commercial season you might be onto something.

Quote...’This is the problem with greens, vegans and the rest of the fuckin weirdos we have to be tolerant of.
They're fucking deluded’

Lol...hahahahaha......strewth mate.....Ive been laughing about that statement for hours.....

Quote’The Paua divers around our way have taken a voluntary cut because of lower stock numbers. Quota management is about having fish for future generations.

Yeah mate,and that hasn’t stopped some of the latest “imports”...(have to be careful here) from taking 400 plus under-sized paua without blinking an eye and that’s just the ones that get caught.My biggest issue is how they “enforce” the rules,Regs and mgt plans.Great/good intentions and plans are only as good as its enforcement.

You are correct management will be difficult as we have a lot of rivers. Some like Big Bay etc will require the use of air craft to get to. It won't be impossible it will just need to be well thought out.
There will still be people who will flaunt any system as they believe it is their right to take as much of anything as they like. That has always been a tough one.

Originally Posted by Gordo

Too true this one. The thing that is really pissing me off is the effect their constant ravings are having on our kids. They are getting really anxious about it all and very stressed about something they can't change. It hit home when my daughter asked me with genuine concern if the world only had 12 years left. It had been bothering her for a while and a lot of kids she knows are quite stressed about it. I reckon it's tantamount to child abuse. Naturally I reassured her and had quite an in depth conversation with her. She was reassured when I told her I have been hearing this since I was her age.

Something to think about if you think something is bothering one of your kids. It's become quite a serious issue that hasn't been picked up on yet by teachers or most parents, it's something that is simmering and having a serious impact on our kids and it is slowly getting worse for them.

I've just posted this article to the Greens Facebook page. I will sit back and watch the onslaught ha ha.

We had the threat of MAD nuclear holocaust to scare us as children. Funny thing is that hasn't gone away.
Global warming is the new scare.
The problem is human overpopulation but let's be inclusive and not mention that.

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Yeah mate,I’m in your court....and not to get off the subject....but when they catch these wankers,the fines,deterrents,etc,are nothing short of bloody pathetic........so in the end you manage the stocks,increase the numbers,protect the ecosystem,habitat protection etc etc .......it leads to more thievery!!!!!!......there is no real deterrent for these pricks,enforcement is akin to pissing into a cook straight wind......

Originally Posted by 300wsm for life

You are correct management will be difficult as we have a lot of rivers. Some like Big Bay etc will require the use of air craft to get to. It won't be impossible it will just need to be well thought out.
There will still be people who will flaunt any system as they believe it is their right to take as much of anything as they like. That has always been a tough one.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Every other fish that is fished commercially in NZ is under a quota system(I think/presume).
It needs to stay commercial so those that can't or don't fish can still eat it.
As far as the bullshit theory about "shouldn't be able to sell a native species", snapper and crayfish aren't introduced and we can buy them. Eels are also fished commercially.
We accept bag limits on other fish, why would whitebait be any different.

Exactly, its always hard but the stocks need to be protected, the current system is far to open for exploitation. Having no quota or commercial limitation outside of seasons is pretty bad.

A fishery that is taking only pre breeding stock is logically going to be more susceptible to exploitation. Better monitoring needs to take place, results need to be transparent, and we as custodians and beneficiaries need to play an active role in conservation. The lack of research and data right now is pretty crazy, like as far as I can tell we know sweet fark all about the fishery, recruitment and mortality rate or even the breakdown of species being taken.

Its the problem with the greens proposing anything, they are so militant and comparatively extreme there is going to be an inherent distrust in anything they do. If they were less militant and more open to talking and compromise where possible then the relationship with the stake holders would be less distrusting.

"they are so militant and comparatively extreme there is going to be an inherent distrust in anything they do."

Many of them are fucked in the head too.

ps .sorry ,had a bad day.

Originally Posted by nevereadyfreddy

"they are so militant and comparatively extreme there is going to be an inherent distrust in anything they do."

Many of them are fucked in the head too.

ps .sorry ,had a bad day.

maybe its not thier fault????someone might have shoved a dick in thier ear to try and shag some sence into them.....

You need to remember that the Greens wish to make NZ the way it was hundreds of years ago. Whilst that is a lovely thought it is completely impractical. We can't turn back the clock, what we can do is adapt to our current environment. This part seems largely to have been lost on the eco worriers like Eugenie Sage. NZ or the rest of the world for that matter will not in our life time return to the state it was hundreds of years ago.

[QUOTE=R93;880174 I see no rush to regulate whitebaiting but for some reason it has become one.

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I wonder if they've decided to make hay while the sun shines, as they may well be turfed out on their ear next year.

Originally Posted by 300wsm for life

You need to remember that the Greens wish to make NZ the way it was hundreds of years ago. Whilst that is a lovely thought it is completely impractical. We can't turn back the clock, what we can do is adapt to our current environment. This part seems largely to have been lost on the eco worriers like Eugenie Sage. NZ or the rest of the world for that matter will not in our life time return to the state it was hundreds of years ago.

In order to return NZ to pre human state, they'll have to leave. what an inconvenient truth.

It’s all tip of the wedge stuff that’s scary , same as the firearm fuckup , I don’t agree with any of it but some guys do exploit the whitebait far beyond hunting and gathering for family and friends .
She will want to get rid of the Trout and Salmon next ....

You no I remember watching a program a couple of years ago about a bloke farming weka , he,d breed a thousands over the years for release , his argument was we should be farming some of our native birds to eat I reckon its a great idea imagine farming thousands of some of our endangered birds like weka , kiwi , kereru to name a few, breed the bastards up eat a bunch & liberate a bunch im sure there would be a market for it in restaurants , win win , whitebait would be another classic example that would really take the wind out of the commercial sail in this country by decreasing the demand ....food for thought .