How not to be invited again....

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Originally Posted by A-Bolt

A long weekend fishing and hunting trip into Doubtful Sound on my boat. Someone pulled out late so a good mate of mine invited a workmate of his along. Bloke seemed OK on the trip down from Christchurch etc and once we got in there I put them all into good hunting spots. I didn't hunt at all, just made sure everyone else had a good crack at the hunting and fishing. My trips are always share direct costs evenly and share all fish/venison evenly.

This bloke shot a couple of deer (in spots I directed him to), completely ignored the pick-up times and radio scheds, meaning other guys were left on the beach getting eaten by sandflies. Not the end of the world but a bit rank.

Got back to Christchurch after the long drive from Manapouri and while we were pulled into where he'd left his car the rest of us were stretching our legs while he got his gear out. He quickly grabbed all of the venison while we weren't looking, put it in his vehicle and drove off without saying a word. He didn't even discuss paying his share of costs so my mate did, took my mate just over a year to get paid back.

Absolute prick, should never be invited on anyone's fishing or hunting trip again.

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I have always had the philosophy of shear and shear alike I hate wankers like that

Ugh, so many already similar responses. I haven't done multi day trips but me and mates have been out a fair bit and usually grab an extra here or there.

But people that are newer that just don't listen to the advice for stuff they ask about is the biggest black mark. The other one is not offering to chip in somehow or if they've been at least once before but don't contribute the 2nd time they can get the cut pretty quick. Don't care too much how rich or poor you are - you bring what you can and make the damn effort or I'm not making any effort back

If I ever steal the old mans vessel, and I would often, I usually make sure there's fillets for him before I eat

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Originally Posted by trapperjohn

Hello Kiwi Sapper, Yes I do rely on the unspoken word. Rules of the boat are a lot like camp rules when a party of men are in the bush on a hunting trip, duties are shared, costs are shared and most importantly each member makes a conscious effort to get on with the other members of the party.
Being confined to camp in the bush is similar to being confined in a boat at sea.
Not everyone shares the same viewpoints as another, and different viewpoints can lead to friction. As I said at least make an effort to get on with each other and the whole trip can be a pleasant experience for all members of the trip.

I think that the transition from boyhood to manhood is to learn to get on and cooperate with those around you, is important.
Hunting and fishing trips are ideal for this training with good roll models and mentors,

Unfortunately some missed out on the growing/learning experience.
This is why I rely on the unspoken mind, a good crew should understand the unspoken word on how to get on and enjoy the actual experience together as a team.
This is my view anyhow.

Cheers

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Kind of agree but some people can discuss politics/economics without not getting along. I do it all the time. Although if we're talking about politics like lately on this forum then yes I agree. I agree though it's simple to read the room if politics/economics isn't something guys are into then change the subject and don't bring it up. I have mates like yourself who I know don't give a shot of want to discuss it. And other mates that we can chew each others ear off solving all the problems of the world. Like you said just got to get along.

Not fishing but.... Here is the reason I dumped a hunting "buddy".....

I'd organised a weekend pig hunting trip with someone I'd hunted with a few times, seemed ok. I had to call the hunt off a few days before because something unexpected had cropped up, and organised it for the following weekend. But I taken that person there a few times before and he and some random mates went there hunting anyway. They got their Landrover stuck on the track, went back to the farm and borrowed the tractor without asking. While trying to pull the Landy out they rolled the tractor down the hill and into the river..... And I get an irate farmer ringing me that night asking why I said they were allowed to go out......

Or; another doozy..... You bring an acquaintance out for a hunt. He asks if his mate can come too. "Sure" I say. Coming back we stop the wagon and talk to the farmer who is helluva frosty with me compared to usual. I just think that he must've had a barney with the missus or a bad case of man-opause and think nothing of it. I get home and about an hour later get a ring from the farmer absolutely losing his nut with me..... Turn's out the "mate" and a few of his mates had been out there the week earlier rounding up all the cockies wild goats..... That was in the days when a white feral nanny was fetching $600-ish dollars.

I pleaded not guilty to him; because I didn't know anything about it. I apologised profusely and thankfully he calmed down and realised that I was as f***ed off as him. And also thankfully; didn't ban me from the property. I rang my mate up and blew my stack. Turns out he didn't know anything about it either! His "friend" had f***ed us both over.....

It's just decent to:
pay towards fuel
be on time
bring your own bait
know how to tie a trace and bait your own
keep only thenumber of fish you need, not the legal limit and definitely not more than the legal limit
share your catch with the skipper, especially if he's had a bad day
stick around and help stow things away and clean the boat

When I dive, I also offer to take all the empty tanks to the dive shop for a fill - I figure I'm going there anyway,... Owners can pick them up and pay for the air once at their convenience. It goes a long way to getting a second and subsequent invite!

I would always given a a old work mate venison even when we had stopped working together, sometimes butchered meat or hole animals. This guy was a keen fishermen, i said how about i give you some gas money for a feed of fish next time your out.thinking he might say na na your sweet. Got a message and he said got some fish how does $50 sound. So thinking must be a good amount of fish the wife went in to town and picked up the fish and paid. We would have been lucky to get two feeds out of it. Never given him any more meat after that day.

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Originally Posted by rugerman

Me too Pengy. Have you tried taking sealegs ? helps me.
Great time to find out you get seasick, after you buy a boat

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Travacalm is the only surefire seasick pill imo. Also, NEVER eat a sausage and egg mc'muffin on the way to the boat ramp. Dont ask...

I'm going back to the begining haha. This thread is hilarious!
I also don't feel like my hunting buddies are so bad after all:thumbsup:

lol I don't even need to eat mate. Went out from Wanganui a couple of years back with a 3m swell running and I think it was a mix of the swell and chop and a serious dose of adrenaline. I was power chucking water like a champ.

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Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Travacalm is the only surefire seasick pill imo. Also, NEVER eat a sausage and egg mc'muffin on the way to the boat ramp. Dont ask...

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Originally Posted by Beaker

Maybe I got the thread wrong...... Maybe should have been - what will get you a invite back.


For me, the worst things -
- not on time. If we agree meet at ramp at 6, that means your there at 5.55.

- I'll say, there's 3 of us and you're on food. Bring enough for 3..... The other 2 are bring bait/burley and the boat and fuel....
- not doing what I say when I say it (when I get serious voice on). Not only could be dangerous, but could cost a lot. "throw the stern port rope at the first cleat, and tie it off" doesn't mean, get off onto the Dock and find a something to tie to.

If it's a day trip and your a Newby, normally I won't ask for fuel money. Normally I say your on food. Next level is bait. Normally, this all evens out. I'm only a 150hp o/b, so not to bad. Bring shit food though.... and that's a black mark.


As for cleaning, just be present and prepared to grab stuff, take stuff to rubbish bin, etc.. I prefer to pack the boat away myself, but it's helpful if some is willing to be there and do what's said.

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So that's a big no for the tofu salad then??

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Originally Posted by screamO

I spose my biggest hate on a boat, especially when I'm the skipper is people getting so pissed they can hardly look after themselves .....If something was to happen they put everyone on board in danger.
I was told by a charter skipper......you can tell how good the day is going to be by how much piss they bring onboard.

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Really, really annoying is the idiots that turn up late, unprepared, and hung over as fuck. Man that gets me down. You end up with deadweight passengers for as long as it takes for them to get their shit together. This used to be a real problem with the guys I knocked around with when I lived in Cape Town, fishing there is a serious business as its straight out into dangerous currents and some big ass swells, but for some or other reason part of the culture was this habit of getting absolutely hammered whilst getting ready the night before. Add that to the insane amounts of breakfast brandy these guys would consume, and 3 or 4 trips was enough for me. We were all the same age roughly, at least half of those guys are dead now.

The one time I remember it was our boss, he of the unblemished character and stellar track record as he liked to tell us frequently. You can imagine how awkward it was for us to try and get him to stop drinking the night before because we could see what was going to happen... Next morning before dawn we’re up and raring to go getting everything sorted... and this guy stumbles out looking like he would welcome a visit from the Grim Reaper, right now please. He didn’t manage to fish for a minute and sat like a wet sack of shit in the corner the entire day, in the way, on one of the only two decent chairs on board, moaning about “something I ate”.

Dick.

There is a boat by the same name moored in Nelson