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Winter sheelhead gotta work for'em
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Attachment 130931
Winter sheelhead gotta work for'em
Good effort ! Wish that Steel head had been introduced here. Supposed to be very strong epic fighters.
good eating ???
They're just a rainbow trout that goes to sea like a lot of browns do here. So technically we do have steelhead, they just dont live anadromouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Nice. That's a spey setup you're running?Quote:
Originally Posted by moosemeat
I caught a 3kg one the other night.
I wish we did have Steel head but we don't. There are records of the occasional rainbow being netted in the surf in NZ, but these are not steelhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst
As to our brown trout, we have three distinct sub-species and a hybrid. We have the river dwelling Salmo Trutta, the sea trout Salmo Trutta Trutta and the Loch Levin brown which is adapted to lakes. We also have a hybrid of the river and sea types which is what is commonly called our 'sea run' trout. Sadly and confusingly a few years ago all these subspecies were grouped together under the one name classification which is like putting all breeds of cattle under one single name and saying that because there is no genetic difference on their DNA they are the all same breed.
Centre pin setup Kiwijames for drift float fishing, here its hard to fly fish no room for a back cast unless on some of the bigger rivers you see the spey and fly guys!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
I think the Steelhead would do well there they like cold water streams to migrate up and give a hell of a response when hook, even more so than our domestic rainbow or brown trout just not a big fan of their table fare!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
Ivr always understood our Rainbow are from impirted Steelhead stock.
Without looking it up, so just from memory I think ours are stock from the Sacramento River. It is possible for an anadromous stock to occupy the same river system as the river dwelling cousin but remain genetically apart because of different breeding behavioursQuote:
Originally Posted by Woody
Hey Moa hunter - depends who you talk to as to the sub-breeds, variants and types of trout that made their way to NZ. It's not as clean and clear as you may think...Quote:
Originally Posted by Moa Hunter
It is acknowledged that a number of Acclimatisation societies had delivered in the early days progeny (and multiple deliveries) from ova including those from the Umpqua river in the USA, which is a very Steelhead orientated and genetically linked fishery.
NZ also has Tiger trout, Brook trout and there is even mention of a mis-labeled import that was released in the upper Waihou and tributaries that might possibly even be Cutthroat.
So not as clear cut as you thought huh!
It could also depend on what that old fellow up north released as well.....Saw an article in the press on him. Mostly canal fish. There's a articular name for them but it escapes me at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpe Diem
Coarse fishQuote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
WA smooth marron - see https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/11884...ands-waterways
I agree that there were multiple species introduced here including mackinaw and the great Salmo Salar. But if there were proper Steelhead Rainbows we would have fish today that run to sea and return. I think that in the early days of our fisheries and game animal populations, people had a better handle on subspecies differences than today. People lived closer to nature and were much more in-tune and intuitive than we are today. A read of Linnaeus, Merriam and Darwin soon demonstrated this to me. So what I mean is that the people collecting the fertilised ova in the US would know the difference and would record the ova as SH or River type. It is possible that we had Steelhead released here but into a lake system with no ocean connection and so they died out from unsuitable habitat with the error being made at this end, but even then the English settlers were fully familiar with sea trout and Salmo Salar which have the same habits as Steel Head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carpe Diem
There are a few Steelhead strains that have been planted in the Great Lakes over the years I know Lake Erie's steelhead alley has been stocked with the McCloud river Calfornia strain and the popular skeena river oregon known for growing big fish that like cold water streams and now I've read lake michigan and lake superior have their own strains distinct to their lakes after years of natural reproduction here's a superior fish Attachment 130988 long slender call them torpedoes fight like bastards
