Welcome guest, is this your first visit? Create Account now to join.
  • Login:

Welcome to the NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed.

Terminator Alpine


User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 47
Like Tree81Likes

Thread: Any ex NZ forest service fellas here?

  1. #1
    Member Steve338's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Top of the South
    Posts
    664

    Any ex NZ forest service fellas here?

    Got a query, I found a permolat marked track up a ridge recently.
    On parts were a wide piece of red permolat and then for the next 20.metres or so every beech tree had a aluminum tag nailed to them with unique number on it. A multi leader editor tree would have one on each leader.
    I would be interested to hear more about this study, not seen on before like this


    Sent from my SM-A736B using Tapatalk

  2. #2
    OPCz Rushy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    Nor West of Auckland on the true right of the Kaipara River
    Posts
    34,220
    @Woody do you have knowledge on this topic?
    It takes 43 muscle's to frown and 17 to smile, but only 3 for proper trigger pull.
    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
    Rule 1: Treat every firearm as loaded
    Rule 2: Always point firearms in a safe direction
    Rule 3: Load a firearm only when ready to fire
    Rule 4: Identify your target beyond all doubt
    Rule 5: Check your firing zone
    Rule 6: Store firearms and ammunition safely
    Rule 7: Avoid alcohol and drugs when handling firearms

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    North Loburn
    Posts
    618
    It's a id tag on that tree.NZFS had permanent vegetation monitoring lines established in Native forests it managed.These lines are called transect lines and generally start in valley floors and run on a randomly generated compass bearing to the ridge/spur crest depending on the catchment topography.Each catchment had numerous transects in order to gain a statistically valid data base.Used for measuring many forest health perameters such as tree girth growth,mortality,animal density,Regen density,poison drops,etc etc .The (first)permalat marker in the valley floor has the transect id # and compass bearing for the bod to follow on,often with successive permalat markers @ 50 metre intervals on that bearing where each data point is taken.Measurements were taken every 5 years to gain long term trends for forest management.The ally id tag is tacked on @ brest height for the bod to measure & record what was called dbh _ diameter at brest height.These techniques still used in commercial exotic forests
    Last edited by bluebaiter222; 02-03-2023 at 06:41 AM.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    North Loburn
    Posts
    618
    In order to ensure data repeatability,some transects had the 50 mtr interval sites marked with permalat,and some didnt.Instead in the absence of intermediate markers the bod would strap on his waist a 'hipsometer' playing out a thin biodegradable cotton line with a distance recorder. So you would stop @ the 50 mtr interval once the counter got to 50,100,150 etc,etc . how many greying hunters remember encountering cotton lines during their stalks?They usually took a few months to break down.

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2020
    Location
    Central North Island
    Posts
    4,951
    Yeah, always wondered why someone was losing cotton thread in the middle of nowhere

    Surely those ally markers don't date back to the NZFS days? They would be buried inches deep in the tree growth since the good ol (real!) NZFS died in 1987.
    Steffan likes this.

  6. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    CNI
    Posts
    5,905
    Permanent ecosurvey transect id tags.
    Steve338 likes this.
    Summer grass
    Of stalwart warriors splendid dreams
    the aftermath.

    Matsuo Basho.

  7. #7
    Member Steve338's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Top of the South
    Posts
    664
    Thanks Bluebaiter, very interesting. Alot of the trees were still Calf thickness. A few had grown and nearly swallowed the tag fully.
    I can't imagine DOC keeps this research going

    Sent from my SM-A736B using Tapatalk

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    North Loburn
    Posts
    618
    The tags and transects were established back to the 60's and 70's.I don't imagine DOC carried on with this long term monitoring.The ally tags were fixed to the trees with a long shank clout leaving travel allowing for incremental growth without the bark swallowing it.Fifty years hence the growth has finally caught up despite most forest trees slow growth rates.I suppose the intention was to re set the clout once it got close to engulfing to go another 50 yrs. I reckon as a bush stalker you would naturally follow animal leads & folds,contours etc on your beats ,avoiding wingfall, shyte ,giggy gig,lawyer,supplejack groves,bluffs,ravines,leather leaf,waterfalls.Thing was when doing transects you were obliged to follow the compass needle no matter what.At times I reckon no Moriori,Maori,or Pakeha would ever have set foot on where the needle sent you,cause no sane person would ever want to go that way!

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    CNI
    Posts
    5,905
    Ha ha, yeah. We were instructed to run transects .inimum of 20chain and if ridge was reached before 20chain then to continue over the top and down other side. Got bluffed a few times.
    Summer grass
    Of stalwart warriors splendid dreams
    the aftermath.

    Matsuo Basho.

  10. #10
    Member Micky Duck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Geraldine
    Posts
    24,673
    Ive seen a few of them over the years,the other thing you can still find in random places is a room sized fenced enclosure.....first time I thought it was someones hooch garden.
    75/15/10 black powder matters

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    West Auckland
    Posts
    1,118
    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    Ive seen a few of them over the years,the other thing you can still find in random places is a room sized fenced enclosure.....first time I thought it was someones hooch garden.
    Yeah, the real term is "exclosure"..designed to keep grazing animals out so the growth outside could be compared with the growth inside.
    Bagheera and Micky Duck like this.

  12. #12
    Ned
    Ned is online now
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    Location
    Taranaki
    Posts
    614
    Quote Originally Posted by Woody View Post
    Ha ha, yeah. We were instructed to run transects .inimum of 20chain and if ridge was reached before 20chain then to continue over the top and down other side. Got bluffed a few times.
    I wonder what the health and safety rules would be for that practice these days?

  13. #13
    Member Steve338's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Top of the South
    Posts
    664
    I thought I was following a deer trail ip.the ridge but I suspect it was created by old nzfs rangers back in the day!

    Sent from my SM-A736B using Tapatalk

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    CNI
    Posts
    5,905
    You survived or you got transferred out. There was leave allowed for recovery from injuries though. I saw a chap climb a very steep slip one time to recover a deer he had shot. However when he pulled its head back to cut its throat it reared and the pair bounced down to the bottom. He was off work for a while after that but came back.
    Micky Duck likes this.
    Summer grass
    Of stalwart warriors splendid dreams
    the aftermath.

    Matsuo Basho.

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2019
    Location
    South Canterbury
    Posts
    1,512
    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    Ive seen a few of them over the years,the other thing you can still find in random places is a room sized fenced enclosure.....first time I thought it was someones hooch garden.
    Haha, yeah, found one of them up the horomunga years ago and stopped in my tracks thinking I'd walked upon a grow site.
    Micky Duck likes this.

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. G'day Fellas
    By Spitfire in forum Introductions
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 08-06-2019, 11:36 AM
  2. NZ Forest Service Cook Book
    By P38 in forum Resource Library
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 20-04-2018, 07:56 PM
  3. NZ Forest service cook book
    By moonhunt in forum Hunting
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 09-11-2013, 09:05 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Welcome to NZ Hunting and Shooting Forums! We see you're new here, or arn't logged in. Create an account, and Login for full access including our FREE BUY and SELL section Register NOW!!