Thread: Could be bad news

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

What had any of that got to do with the farmer? Your earlier post seems like a pretty clear beat up on the farmer as having instigated all this

And some wonder why a.......
Hunters are becoming so lazy theres a poled route whats the difference.
Imagine a paper road going straight past ya house with your wife and young family home alone while all sorts of meatheads go back and forwards all hours of the day.
I understand what XR500 is saying but hunters have changed a lot from the 70s and 80s definitely for the worse.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

And some wonder why a.......
Hunters are becoming so lazy theres a poled route whats the difference.
Imagine a paper road going straight past ya house with your wife and young family home alone while all sorts of meatheads go back and forwards all hours of the day.
I understand what XR500 is saying but hunters have changed a lot from the 70s and 80s definitely for the worse.

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You are right with this "Imagine a paper road going straight past ya house with your wife and young family home alone while all sorts of meatheads go back and forwards all hours of the day." And we dont have to imagine it, for that is reality for tens of thousands of city dwelling NZ'ers - Crims going past casing areas for houses they can burgle etc.
If the cocky doesnt like living like the majority of the country that is tough. They can always go halves with the council and fence the roadway, which would be the sensible option.
On our old farm an unformed road went across the centre of a paddock beside the house so we just formed a vehicle access around the boundary and there were no issues.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

You are right with this "Imagine a paper road going straight past ya house with your wife and young family home alone while all sorts of meatheads go back and forwards all hours of the day." And we dont have to imagine it, for that is reality for tens of thousands of city dwelling NZ'ers - Crims going past casing areas for houses they can burgle etc.
If the cocky doesnt like living like the majority of the country that is tough. They can always go halves with the council and fence the roadway, which would be the sensible option.
On our old farm an unformed road went across the centre of a paddock beside the house so we just formed a vehicle access around the boundary and there were no issues.

If that how you read my response Ryan was correct about you....


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Originally Posted by BRADS

If that how you read my response Ryan was correct about you....


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If you want to introduce personal slights into the discussion, thats fine wont hurt my feelings, maybe hopefully there will be a day when your eyes can see with some maturity and balance. It matters not whether its a farmer a developer or American billionaire whos applied to close part of a public road the principal is the same 'public land becoming private land at the stroke of a pen' Now Brads, some condescending maths for you a roadway is surveyed 20mtrs wide which means every 500 mtrs of road is one hectare. How much is say two hectares of land in the area of the track worth ?

Here's my submission, if that helps anybody else. This access stuff must be protected (and access improved) where ever possible. Everyone needs to be vigilant and stand up for it constantly if we're to keep access to public land - once it's gone it's gone.

I'm writing to submit my strong opposition to the removal of the paper road as mentioned here:
https://www.mdc.govt.nz/news/2022/ro...-of-opawe-road

Paper roads have protections and access rights that cannot be changed. An easement or pathway is not the same thing. I particularly consider hunters here, as firearms can be problematic - but with a road, they are legal. By all means, move the paper road to follow the better route, but don't have it as an easement or pathway, but as a paper road - like for like.

Our backcountry is already hard enough to get to due to poor foresight from planners of the past - particularly the Ruahine ranges. To remove any kind of level of access permissions or right for the future is incredibly short-sighted for all backcountry recreation and conservation users. Surely a moved paper road with the same legal protections as the current, to follow a more sensible curve will satisfy both parties. As a country it boggles my mind that we continue to facilitate single landowners limiting (in any way, however small) the other 5 million of us's access to our forest ranges.

I hope the council makes the right call for the future.

You can find an email address to send similar to my submission if you want, on the council link here. Don't be a bystander and watch our access disappear.
https://www.mdc.govt.nz/news/2022/ro...-of-opawe-road

Originally Posted by LarryB

Here's my submission, if that helps anybody else. This access stuff must be protected (and access improved) where ever possible. Everyone needs to be vigilant and stand up for it constantly if we're to keep access to public land - once it's gone it's gone.



You can find an email address to send similar to my submission if you want, on the council link here. Don't be a bystander and watch our access disappear.
https://www.mdc.govt.nz/news/2022/ro...-of-opawe-road

Love it!
Mine followed simmilar lines but was less articulate.