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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    The point is it is very easy to use the road safely on a two wheeled vehicle without actually using the "road" and inconveniencing everyone who is actually paying for the road.
    Behavior that seems odd to you is often in the name of safety. Cyclists that ride in the shoulder are often the ones that are hit. Cyclists that make their presence known don't get it. I ride in the shoulder when it's safe, I ride slightly out from the shoulder if the road is curvy so it forces drivers to consciously recognise me and only pass when it's safe, at which point I'll gladly get out of the way and give you a wave. And I'll take the lane when it's completely unsafe to pass, and I can reach a speed similar to that of traffic. I'll annoy the occasional person, but it's all in the name of safety, and even if drivers don't really understand the behaviour it does work. Also in town, I have to give about a metre between myself and the cars parked on the left. My girlfriend was thrown under the wheels of a bus because she didn't know this, someone opened their door and toppled her into the lane. Riding slowly in the cycle lane, out of the way of cars, almost dead. She was under the front bumper, but the bus stopped in time and she didn't go under the wheels. A friend of mine was killed in wellington when a driver cut the corner at a roundabout a few years ago. He was riding in the shoulder. As I said, cyclists ride the way they do for a reason.

    Most cyclists own at least one car, so they're paying for their fair share - and they're on a bike, which at the end of the day inconveniences you less than if they did all of their journeys in a car and got in your way that way instead. If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.

    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    May there always be a campervan in front of you.
    Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    Most cyclists own at least one car, so they're paying for their fair share - and they're on a bike, which at the end of the day inconveniences you less than if they did all of their journeys in a car and got in your way that way instead. If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.



    Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will.
    trucks pay more for the road than the rest of us combined probably. $20,000 a day in road user only is not uncommon for a average trucking company.
    I would rather follow a truck threw the likes of the buller gorge than a campervan or some twat in a volvo or mercedes suv, truckys know the road and drive at the limit carrying speed threw the corners.

    Pull ya head out of your arse.
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    Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will.


    -and not realise you're being annoying as fuck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.
    Me too unless you had just held me up for half an hour, if you had a license plate at least I could invoice you for my time.

    Camper-vans are generally more courteous than cyclists as they like to stop and get out while parked in the middle of one lane bridges to take photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    Behavior that seems odd to you is often in the name of safety.
    Sometimes yes... other times its just what some of them tell themselves when they're actually just being arrogant and selfish for no good reason. If they 'need' 3 or 4 times as much space as I'm comfortable with when I'm on a bike then the problem isn't the cars, its them. Its a bit like drivers who try to stop anybody from passing them because they're driving at a 'safe' speed (like 70) and think anyone who wants to go faster is dangerous.

    I always found bus drivers the worst when I was biking regularly, it was like they were actively trying to hit me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Sometimes yes... other times its just what some of them tell themselves when they're actually just being arrogant and selfish for no good reason. If they 'need' 3 or 4 times as much space as I'm comfortable with when I'm on a bike then the problem isn't the cars, its them. Its a bit like drivers who try to stop anybody from passing them because they're driving at a 'safe' speed (like 70) and think anyone who wants to go faster is dangerous.

    I always found bus drivers the worst when I was biking regularly, it was like they were actively trying to hit me.
    Exactly!
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    Just saw the short clip on the news.
    A harrowing experience for her for sure.
    But to not be able to get out for a month? she tried to make some snow shoes?

    Smells like under prepared for NZ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tussock View Post
    I'm frequently under prepared for New Zealand. Shit happens.

    She is not dead, so she did good.
    There is that but a plb would have saved her some time and maybe her partners life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tussock View Post
    I'm frequently under prepared for New Zealand. Shit happens.

    She is not dead, so she did good.
    I always take enough to spend the night out, pack liner/bivy bag is the heaviest item and it's not that bad, doubles as a meat bag. Couple of extra layers and a silver blanket, fire kit etc. No excuse not to have it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack_ View Post
    If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.



    Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.
    You are joking about trucks aren't you? Have you any idea how much more it actually is to run one of them. Pull out in front of people. Righto, at 22 metres long sometimes you have to make the gap, never in a dangerous manner but sometimes you have to otherwise your sitting there all day. Drive slower than the speed limit. No shit, when you're loaded at 50t you would want to be pretty cautious.
    Its riding 2 wide, sometimes even 3 wide that gets me. What the actual fuck. Do you ever see two cars driving side by side having a good old chin wag. Get out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hilz77 View Post
    You are joking about trucks aren't you? Have you any idea how much more it actually is to run one of them. Pull out in front of people. Righto, at 22 metres long sometimes you have to make the gap, never in a dangerous manner but sometimes you have to otherwise your sitting there all day. Drive slower than the speed limit. No shit, when you're loaded at 50t you would want to be pretty cautious.
    Its riding 2 wide, sometimes even 3 wide that gets me. What the actual fuck. Do you ever see two cars driving side by side having a good old chin wag. Get out of the way.
    Good on ya hilz. Truckies drive slower because the law says they have to (90 KPH limit). Those speed signs you see on knarley corners are also for truckies (and not private motor cars) because if truckies exceed the recommendation they will come to grief. Cyclists have as much right to be on the road as the rest of us but by and large it is cyclists inconsiderate use of the road that pisses other users off more than any other type of road user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    Good on ya hilz. Truckies drive slower because the law says they have to (90 KPH limit). Those speed signs you see on knarley corners are also for truckies (and not private motor cars) because if truckies exceed the recommendation they will come to grief. Cyclists have as much right to be on the road as the rest of us but by and large it is cyclists inconsiderate use of the road that pisses other users off more than any other type of road user.
    I do concur however that this has gotten massively off topic haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by hilz77 View Post
    I do concur however that this has gotten massively off topic haha
    Hell newbie, that is the shit we do on this forum.
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