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I also ride a bike occasionally,on the left of the fog line.

Sorry what's your argument 'nam? you used to ride your scooter drunk? Goodo.

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Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

If we apply your logic in its entirety then cycling on our major roads is the same as walking up and down a firing lane at a shooting range, while others are shooting.

Both are silly things to do and extremely dangerous

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You shouldn't reasonable expect random members of the public to be found in the middle of a shooting range. Roads are a bit different.

I'd say it's more like shooting while on a popular walking track. You better be damn sure what you're doing is safe.

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Originally Posted by K95

English. He had arrived in Hokitika and asked at the DoC office for information on the track but was told they know nothing of the track conditions in the Hokitika area and he must go away and do his own research. He insisted on talking to someone about the tracks but was turned away. He then googled the route and got a mix of information most of which was not accurate and set off on his trip. Search and Rescue was after him in the notar the day I got him across the river and on his way.

What's worse is that he left intentions at his hostel and they reported him overdue to the Police and the Police drove out to the carpark and left a note on his windscreen asking him to call them when he gets out. He ended up 6 days overdue before Search and Rescue began looking.

A work mate had the same experience in the same area two years ago, 4 days overdue and his wife still couldn't persuade the Police to begin a search. Had to ring a friend and he organised a helicopter.

Not a good look.

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Not a good look at all :(

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Sorry what's your argument 'nam? you used to ride your scooter drunk? Goodo.



You shouldn't reasonable expect random members of the public to be found in the middle of a shooting range. Roads are a bit different.

I'd say it's more like shooting while on a popular walking track. You better be damn sure what you're doing is safe.

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The point is it is very easy to use the road safely on a two wheeled vehicle without actually using the "road" and inconveniencing everyone who is actually paying for the road.

May there always be a campervan in front of you. :)

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

The point is it is very easy to use the road safely on a two wheeled vehicle without actually using the "road" and inconveniencing everyone who is actually paying for the road.

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Behavior that seems odd to you is often in the name of safety. Cyclists that ride in the shoulder are often the ones that are hit. Cyclists that make their presence known don't get it. I ride in the shoulder when it's safe, I ride slightly out from the shoulder if the road is curvy so it forces drivers to consciously recognise me and only pass when it's safe, at which point I'll gladly get out of the way and give you a wave. And I'll take the lane when it's completely unsafe to pass, and I can reach a speed similar to that of traffic. I'll annoy the occasional person, but it's all in the name of safety, and even if drivers don't really understand the behaviour it does work. Also in town, I have to give about a metre between myself and the cars parked on the left. My girlfriend was thrown under the wheels of a bus because she didn't know this, someone opened their door and toppled her into the lane. Riding slowly in the cycle lane, out of the way of cars, almost dead. She was under the front bumper, but the bus stopped in time and she didn't go under the wheels. A friend of mine was killed in wellington when a driver cut the corner at a roundabout a few years ago. He was riding in the shoulder. As I said, cyclists ride the way they do for a reason.

Most cyclists own at least one car, so they're paying for their fair share - and they're on a bike, which at the end of the day inconveniences you less than if they did all of their journeys in a car and got in your way that way instead. If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

May there always be a campervan in front of you. :)

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Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Most cyclists own at least one car, so they're paying for their fair share - and they're on a bike, which at the end of the day inconveniences you less than if they did all of their journeys in a car and got in your way that way instead. If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.



Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will.

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trucks pay more for the road than the rest of us combined probably. $20,000 a day in road user only is not uncommon for a average trucking company.
I would rather follow a truck threw the likes of the buller gorge than a campervan or some twat in a volvo or mercedes suv, truckys know the road and drive at the limit carrying speed threw the corners.

Pull ya head out of your arse.

Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will.


-and not realise you're being annoying as fuck?

Can't help it man, I'd be the same annoying fuck on a biking forum if someone started joking about how you shouldn't go walking in the hills because you'll get shot by "one of those dimwitted hunters" :)

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Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.

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Me too unless you had just held me up for half an hour, if you had a license plate at least I could invoice you for my time.

Camper-vans are generally more courteous than cyclists as they like to stop and get out while parked in the middle of one lane bridges to take photos.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

Behavior that seems odd to you is often in the name of safety.

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Sometimes yes... other times its just what some of them tell themselves when they're actually just being arrogant and selfish for no good reason. If they 'need' 3 or 4 times as much space as I'm comfortable with when I'm on a bike then the problem isn't the cars, its them. Its a bit like drivers who try to stop anybody from passing them because they're driving at a 'safe' speed (like 70) and think anyone who wants to go faster is dangerous.

I always found bus drivers the worst when I was biking regularly, it was like they were actively trying to hit me.

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Sometimes yes... other times its just what some of them tell themselves when they're actually just being arrogant and selfish for no good reason. If they 'need' 3 or 4 times as much space as I'm comfortable with when I'm on a bike then the problem isn't the cars, its them. Its a bit like drivers who try to stop anybody from passing them because they're driving at a 'safe' speed (like 70) and think anyone who wants to go faster is dangerous.

I always found bus drivers the worst when I was biking regularly, it was like they were actively trying to hit me.

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Exactly!

Just saw the short clip on the news.
A harrowing experience for her for sure.
But to not be able to get out for a month? she tried to make some snow shoes?

Smells like under prepared for NZ.

My pushbike is my favourite means of transport, maybe tied with by boots nowadays. I agree with GB and VC, that there is mostly a place for cyclists on the road, but not always and sometimes we do need to be where the other motor vehicles are. But this is only where there is nowhere else to be. At these points it is the motor vehicle drivers responsibility to slow down and pass safely when safe to do so. Ride two or three abreast at these points is just not on.

Another one is driving fast around a bend and suddenly seeing a cyclist in front of you. That is the drivers fault as the rules are clear, on a road with a centre line you must be able to stop within the clear lane in front of you and if there is no centre line it is half that. If it was a tractor you went too fast round a blind bend and hit it may be you that doesn't come out to well.

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My pushbike is my favourite means of transport, maybe tied with by boots nowadays. I agree with GB and VC, that there is mostly a place for cyclists on the road, but not always and sometimes we do need to be where the other motor vehicles are. But this is only where there is nowhere else to be. At these points it is the motor vehicle drivers responsibility to slow down and pass safely when safe to do so. Ride two or three abreast at these points is just not on.

Another one is driving fast around a bend and suddenly seeing a cyclist in front of you. That is the drivers fault as the rules are clear, on a road with a centre line you must be able to stop within the clear lane in front of you and if there is no centre line it is half that. If it was a tractor you went too fast round a blind bend and hit it may be you that doesn't come out to well.

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I am pretty sure it is illegal or was? to ride more than 2 abreast.

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I am pretty sure it is illegal or was? to ride more than 2 abreast.

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It is, and if the cyclists are passing parked vehicles it is illegal to ride more than single file.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

I'm frequently under prepared for New Zealand. Shit happens.

She is not dead, so she did good.

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There is that but a plb would have saved her some time and maybe her partners life.

PLBs are an interesting one. Half of me thinks they should be cheaper/subsidised, be advertised more, so that more people have them in situations like these. I'd be happy if some tax dollars went to cheapening safety equipment if it meant we didn't have either dead tourists or costly long searches at the other end.






Regarding the driving. If there's something in the middle of your lane on a blind corner you should be able to stop before you hit it. If you're white knuckled because you might run into something stationary in your lane you need to slow down. Could be a cyclist, a cow, your neighbors dog, a child...

Two abreast is rude as hell in many situations. No argument there.

PLB's are pretty cheap now at about NZ$300 with a 10 year battery life.

As in: walk into a store, ask for a plb, swipe card for $300? Haven't seen them south of $450 personally.

You haven't been looking very hard then Jack.

For the record. The last time I checked the stats for sar callouts NZ wide, including maritime, overseas tourists actually accounted for a fairly small percentage overall.
That suggests that the natives are going bush or whatever, ill prepared, or ill equipped /trained.
She`ll be right mate doesn't cut it .

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I'm frequently under prepared for New Zealand. Shit happens.

She is not dead, so she did good.

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I always take enough to spend the night out, pack liner/bivy bag is the heaviest item and it's not that bad, doubles as a meat bag. Couple of extra layers and a silver blanket, fire kit etc. No excuse not to have it

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For the record. The last time I checked the stats for sar callouts NZ wide, including maritime, overseas tourists actually accounted for a fairly small percentage overall.
That suggests that the natives are going bush or whatever, ill prepared, or ill equipped /trained.
She`ll be right mate doesn't cut it .

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Wonder if those stat's include the big operations, I.e. Trucks stuck up Waikaia, uses if kiwis get lost they do it in a big way!

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Originally Posted by Tussock

Your not actually going to be a road cycling champ so put a mountain bike on the top of your 2016 ticked up Subaru Outlander and enjoy. NZs countless devoid of cars backcountry tracks which are everywhere.

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Believe it or not I have three. No outlander though, more in the market for a truck. Roadie only gets used for commuting.

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Originally Posted by Pengy

You haven't been looking very hard then Jack.

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Care to share? I'm obviously looking in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

As in: walk into a store, ask for a plb, swipe card for $300? Haven't seen them south of $450 personally.

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That is the old and expensive way of shopping.

KTi SA2G NZ GPS Locator Beacon PLB - SkippersMate.co.nz

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Originally Posted by gadgetman

That is the old and expensive way of shopping.

KTi SA2G NZ GPS Locator Beacon PLB - SkippersMate.co.nz

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+1 for skippers mate, brought two from them after the first was stolen

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I find it's usually the drivers that aren't concerned with the cyclist's life expectancy. Not sure why it means so little to them - your car is just as dangerous as a firearm and is much more likely to kill someone. Not giving cyclists respect and utmost care is just as bad as not identifying your target before you pull the trigger. If someone is doing something that makes me frustrated or angry then I pretend it's my mum and act accordingly. Once you add a bit of empathy to a situation you often gain a better perspective.

Roads have always been for many forms of transport. Not all of them can do the speed limit.

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The only good cyclist, is a flat one!

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That is the old and expensive way of shopping.

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Indeed, but it's the way most still do it. I wasn't really speaking for myself. (Thanks for the link though)

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The only good cyclist, is a flat one!

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That's a bit of a rough thing to say after I'd just said I'd lost a mate that way.

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The only good cyclist, is a flat one!

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You guys never cease to amaze and scare me at how far off base these threads get. I do wonder why I am a member sometimes.

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I do wonder why I am a member sometimes.

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For me it is the entertainment value.

I used to fly a lot around the Routeburn. No Cell phone coverage at those huts.
On one SAR last year , a nut job decided to walk from Glenorchy to Te Anau to find work. Out we go at about 4pm to search the Routeburn. I landed at each hut and the cops got out but no sign of him. Up towards Harris Saddle the DOC hut and Lodge were almost completely covered in snow. The track past Falls Lodge (below Harris towards GY) was barely visible due to the snow and there was signs of avalanches everywhere. We spent along time searching and had no luck. He ended up going back to Queenstown somehow.
It was about this time of year.
So there is a fair bit of snow up there, and the track wouldn't be easy to follow at all.

Sorry, bit lazy to type Glenorchy. :thumbs:
Yeah, wasted a couple of hrs in the helicopter. But we had to go.
We did see a pretty decent stag in the route burn though before he trotted off to the bush. About an 8 pointer, but a bloody big body :D

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You guys never cease to amaze and scare me at how far off base these threads get. I do wonder why I am a member sometimes.

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Ok, so why?

I originally joined whilst a little bored one day, I stayed because I was learning, enjoying like minded people, and also light hearted ribbing etc.
I don't like it when people go way over the top. It shows severe narrow mindedness and can offend some quite seriously.

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Originally Posted by Jack_

If you're wanting to get into the user pays aspect then start hounding the truckies - trucks damage the road more than anyone, cause roadworks, pull out in front of people, and drive slower than the speed limit.



Maybe that's the difference between us. I'd still buy you a beer at the pub, talk some shit and wish you no ill will. But campervans? That's harsh man. Harsh.

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You are joking about trucks aren't you? Have you any idea how much more it actually is to run one of them. Pull out in front of people. Righto, at 22 metres long sometimes you have to make the gap, never in a dangerous manner but sometimes you have to otherwise your sitting there all day. Drive slower than the speed limit. No shit, when you're loaded at 50t you would want to be pretty cautious.
Its riding 2 wide, sometimes even 3 wide that gets me. What the actual fuck. Do you ever see two cars driving side by side having a good old chin wag. Get out of the way.

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You are joking about trucks aren't you? Have you any idea how much more it actually is to run one of them. Pull out in front of people. Righto, at 22 metres long sometimes you have to make the gap, never in a dangerous manner but sometimes you have to otherwise your sitting there all day. Drive slower than the speed limit. No shit, when you're loaded at 50t you would want to be pretty cautious.
Its riding 2 wide, sometimes even 3 wide that gets me. What the actual fuck. Do you ever see two cars driving side by side having a good old chin wag. Get out of the way.

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Good on ya hilz. Truckies drive slower because the law says they have to (90 KPH limit). Those speed signs you see on knarley corners are also for truckies (and not private motor cars) because if truckies exceed the recommendation they will come to grief. Cyclists have as much right to be on the road as the rest of us but by and large it is cyclists inconsiderate use of the road that pisses other users off more than any other type of road user.

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Good on ya hilz. Truckies drive slower because the law says they have to (90 KPH limit). Those speed signs you see on knarley corners are also for truckies (and not private motor cars) because if truckies exceed the recommendation they will come to grief. Cyclists have as much right to be on the road as the rest of us but by and large it is cyclists inconsiderate use of the road that pisses other users off more than any other type of road user.

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I do concur however that this has gotten massively off topic haha

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I do concur however that this has gotten massively off topic haha

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Hell newbie, that is the shit we do on this forum.

Lost person to cyclists to truck road taxes... Not sure how to follow that logic lol

are jacks crowd the same mob that regard it as their right to terrorise the walking populace of CHCH by tearing down FOOTPATHS,no need for helmets bro.all this after god knows how much ratepayer monies were wasted on cycle lanes in fact overall id say cyclists in this countrey get a bloody sight better deal than your average motorist.
my advice -you wanna tootle along on your latest fancy MTB or tour defrance replica -its your right ,but be bloody aware your profile is small compared to other road users so make yaself visible and ride defensively.used to be the same on motorbikes for me -i rode dressed up& 'lit up like a dildo in a convent -at least cars&truckies could see me ,as i was told on more than one occasion. incidentally saw a wanna be tourde france peleton hurtle past two young lassies ridng horses on a country road verge the other day.pity if on e of those horse had spooked no attempt to slow down-too busy yahooing ???????