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What a complete F*ck up it was giving management of Te Urewera back to Tuhoe. They are still getting 2 million of tax payers dollars every year. Where is that money going? No accountability as to where it’s being spent. Sounds like there is no pest control happening at all.
you are right where is the accountability for our tax payers money DOC need a damn good kick in the ( well everywhere ) for allowing this to happen - worse the Trust dont have support of their own people
Am happy to cut all tax money funding to the park, its privately owned.
It, IMO is a very sickening example of gross mismanagement over time, prii
de, tradition, national laws and political "expediencies".
preserve as far as possible the natural features and beauty of Te Urewera, the integrity of its indigenous ecological systems and biodiversity, and its historical and cultural heritage; and ( totally stuff the place )
well they are doing well are they not - what a joke - very empty words indeed - note historical well many of the huts burnt down one could argue were historical
anybody really suprised that this is the outcome?
No, we all knew you would post an inflammatory remark on this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by STC
“The indigenous and ecological systems and biodiversity of Te Urewera are preserved, and introduced plants and animals are exterminated”
TUT have had long enough to get their shit sorted, but haven’t. 2 million a year of taxpayers money that appears to have no accountability of where it’s going or what it’s spent on?
I have serious doubt you know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
What’s inflammatory about that comment? I think he was spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
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Originally Posted by Bush Basher
Everyone misses the point. The management of Te Urewera wasn't given back to Tuhoe. Te Urewere was given to Tuhoe. It has effectively ceeded and is no longer part of New Zealand.
It's not good seeing it mismanaged especially with taxpayers money but like you say it is their land.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
Cut the funding and just hope they don't cut the access?
I for one will probably just head to DOC managed blocks instead.
Bit of a shame as reading Barry Crump as a kid I dreamed of big trips into Te Urewera.
The local iwi have ground shooters operating 5 days a week in the Raukumaras. Apparently it is inhospitable country. Well cullers were doing that for yonks before there was a new woke vocabulary. Ground shooting can never compete with aerial operations. Once the NW Ruahines were opened to aerial recovery it quickly spelt the demise of the old fashioned culler. That came from the mouth of Gary Sutton a ground based culler. Sure a chopper might not get all the animals but they are a more effective tool for animal control. No ground hunter can compete with a 500 hovering and having both shottie and 223 to use.
Then cut the funding. Why is the minister of conservation and the minister of government wastage mr Seymour not doing anything.
If the fundings cut then access will be cut but as I understand it the place is not really open and welcoming to outsiders now anyway and the infrastructure has been largely destroyed.
The Money would be better spent elsewhere on well run and managed best control programmes.
I don’t think that’s quite right, if Te Urewera was given back there would be no way that you or me would be allowed in there. Nobody own Te Urewera that’s why the TUT was formed, for Tuhoe and the crown to manage Te Urewera. Which they seem to be failing miserably at.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB
From the Tuhoe website:
Te Urewera ceases to be a national park and is vested in itself as its own legal identity. Te Urewera will own itself in perpetuity with the Board to speak as its voice to provide governance and management in accordance with the principles of the Act.
Groan… what a load of emotive clap-trap:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
There is an incredible history of violence and sadness in and around the Urewera. I recall in my NZFS days certain areas were verboten entry by us, places of past tribal killings, sacred area like Mt Mangapohatu as examples Then the trageda of Rua, his brother and the temple; the wars of TeKooti and similar raiders, the obscene slow murder of the misdionary Volkner and of course von Tempskey and his mercenaries. Troubles and undercurrents at Ruatpkj, Minginui, Taneatua, Ruatahuna and other areas have persisted for at least 70 years of my own adult life unfortunately and there exists mixed feeling within those same communities ongoing. Perhaps time and inspired leadership that might devolve from within the Urewera board and Tuhoe and Nz gov't to bring peace.
IMO the introduced flora and fauna have massive value if managed as assets within the area and formally writing this into law would be of great benifit. E.g. Mallard duck, canada geese, rainbow and brown trout, pigs, bees, lucerne, certain exotic tres with useful nectar production, possible cropping or horticulture in the hanimahihi type locations.
FWIW. :)
TOO sad to watch it as it is now.
But that doesn't mean he's wrong. Unfortunatley we all hoped for better....Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
[QUOTE=MB;1658701]Everyone misses the point. The management of Te Urewera wasn't given back to Tuhoe. Te Urewere was given to Tuhoe. It has effectively ceeded and is no longer part of New Zealand.[/QUOTE)
If so why $2 mil of taxpayers money getting tipped into the circus?
As a general rule I would hope that all Taxpayer provided monies are accounted for and transparent audit processes are employed, wherever our precious funds get spent.
Tui ad anyone??
An OIA request to ministet
An OIA request to The Director General of DoC with cc to Minisyet and to Ombudsman should get the full breakdown accounting for x years. 20 working days to respind. If ylu get bs then write again to Ombudsman and cc to Serious Fraud Office.
It is odd isn't it? It's almost like someone is having their cake and eating it. Consider it foreign aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mistral