Been bugging me for a while now.nearest I can find is hard beechAttachment 218758
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Been bugging me for a while now.nearest I can find is hard beechAttachment 218758
Alder or black alder ?
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Originally Posted by MCCPRO
Black alder
Copices well
Seeds and suckers pretty aggressively once its established
definately aggressive,its all over riverbed and roadside,trees very close together...I was hopeing it was the one used for blackpowder charcoal...but been interesting to work out what it is all the same.
will have to look black alder up in book and wiki now.
hmmmmm alder has sticky leaves up to 4" long...nope not these ones...about the size of matchbox.
Blk /Italian Alder.Planted wands of it with FS on what was the running scree @ the top cutting of Porters Pass (Springfield side)directly under the crib walling to stabilize S.H.73. Now growing as a weed and steadily marching to Cathedral Sq
yes OK I do have to agree having looked at heaps more images....the discription of larger leaves being sticky threw me LOL... black alder it is.
It's only the young leaves that are sticky.
AND looking at Mr Bristlers page again..this IS the tree I want for making charcoal!!!!!!!!!! happy days.
Here it is in full flowerAttachment 218779
No Good Names Left, you needed time to deliberate.
KH
Nah, its just his dyslexia kicking in!:D
I grow a lot of Alders here, I've got Alnus acuminata, jorullensis, nitida, cordata, cremastogyne, rubra, subcordata, rhombifolia, nepalensis, lanata, and a couple others I can't recall the name of, but that set of foliage does not look right for any of them. The leaf venation looks like cordata (Italian alder), but the serrated leaf margin is not a usual cordata characteristic. I'm pretty sure it's not Black alder (A glutinosa) because the leaf venation on that species is distinctly different.
The foliage, flowers and seed pods of the two closely related genera Alnus (alders) and Betula (birchs) are very similar, and as there are so many species of each it is easy to confuse them. Also both Alnus and Betula cross inside their species so there are frequent hybrids inside both genera. Certainly many of my alders are already producing hybrid offspring. If it is a birch, I can't help.
I don't know what that tree is, but it is a different from anything I grow, and the seed pod is really weird if it's an alder, usually they look like small woody pine cones while yours look soft and fluffy. I do not grow any Betula (birch) so don't have much experience with these.
I don't know what it is, but I doubt it is the Italian Alder you're looking for because they have large (for an alder) seedpods and non-serrated leaf margins. I would guess black alder (Alnus glutinosa) or a hybrid from the leaves, but the seedpods look wrong.
thats why I picked that particular branch..it had both the long skinny pods like a sliver birtch does and the acorn SHAPED mature seed cone...think thats the right term.
the veins on leaves and serated edge is typicle of all the trees there. I shall just have to take some more photos when I go back to collect my tent pole/mono pod for camera.... I know eggzachary where it is.... the risk ya take packing up in hurry in half light not wanting to use torch/headlamp any more than necessary... lol.
I can recommend an app called Picture this.
Has never failed to I’d a plant, tree or weed.
Very cool idea
try it and see what it says....LOL
Believe it or not, it worked.
Black alder aka sticky alder, European alder, common alder
Alnus viridis (Green Alder)
