Ban Scalping on the Forum Poll

[Stocky]

After a recent thread selling projectiles we'll above retail appeared here. To try limit scalping I suggest we ban scalping outright on the forum. Its happening in the states bad so I think we jump on it early as it just makes it harder to buy powder as people will buy it just to sell it.

I would say that limit pricing on reloading items to highest retail pricing to try control pricing.

I would personally like to see a single warning to any member scalping on this forum. And then a ban or an instant ban for low post count accounts that are not contributing and only come here to use the buy sell threads for free.

[Gibo]

Yes, and ban them all, no chances

[Stocky]

Yes, and ban them all, no chances

Can't change poll options but I guess people can like your post. I figured give those that contributed to the forum a chance incase they miss the rule.

[timattalon]

Personally while I disagree with scalping, we do no have auctions on here. So if the seller lists something that is at a price that you feel is excessive or offensive, you have the choice to not buy it. We all have differing views on the value of an item and while one person may not think it is worth $X someone else may think it is a bargain.

I would add that while buying something then listing it at a significant increase straight away can be annoying, at the end of the day we all are able to choose to buy it or not. ANd if we all choose not to buy it, it wont sell and they will maybe not be bothered.

I am not saying I condone or agree with scalping, but I am saying the line turns very grey and fuzzy when it comes to policing it. Where do we draw the line ?

How long after buying it is too soon? Would the projectiles I have in stock that are from the shop and 12 years old be sold at todays prices- is that scalping ?

How much margin is considered scalping?

Who makes that distinction?

I can and have asked very similar questions about fuzzy poorly written firearms law changes, especially that last one..and we know how that went....

Sure someone makes one post and lists something at an exorbitant price may be gouging- but alternatively, if it was at a bargain price they are probably a scam and wont send it....OR they are new and have no idea about prices....

[Stocky]

Personally while I disagree with scalping, we do no have auctions on here. So if the seller lists something that is at a price that you feel is excessive or offensive, you have the choice to not buy it. We all have differing views on the value of an item and while one person may not think it is worth $X someone else may think it is a bargain.

I understand that but we also dont charge 8% success fees. We dont discriminate against selling firearms and firearms related items either. I understand supply and demand but this forum as far as I can tell is supposed to be a community hence threads like Pay it Forward or the thread linking to good buys on trademe or the countless threads that members helping members.

I would add that while buying something then listing it at a significant increase straight away can be annoying, at the end of the day we all are able to choose to buy it or not. And if we all choose not to buy it, it wont sell and they will maybe not be bothered.

I am not saying I condone or agree with scalping, but I am saying the line turns very grey and fuzzy when it comes to policing it. Where do we draw the line ?

How long after buying it is too soon? Would the projectiles I have in stock that are from the shop and 12 years old be sold at todays prices- is that scalping ?

How much margin is considered scalping?

Who makes that distinction?

I agree but the line can be drawn somewhere and rules always have discretion by the admins.

I can and have asked very similar questions about fuzzy poorly written firearms law changes, especially that last one..and we know how that went....

Sure someone makes one post and lists something at an exorbitant price may be gouging- but alternatively, if it was at a bargain price they are probably a scam and wont send it....OR they are new and have no idea about prices....

Disagree with this members often offer things for sale here cheaper than trademe etc or at significantly under market value. Pretty much anything @ryansonghurst posts comes to mind. I have multiple times done deals for members as well as members helping me out at times.

This is not a new rule precedent as links to personal trademe listings have been banned for ages as it doesn't benefit members or the community.

[timattalon]

This is not a new rule precedent as links to personal trademe listings have been banned for ages as it doesn't benefit members or the community.

I am not really going to change my mind. I have not seen much in the way of scalping here, and I dont think I will. If I do, it is a simple remedy- I wont buy it. There is only one person to blame for supporting scalpers- the person who buys it. If no one buys it- then the problem goes away.

As for 8% we this is not an auction site or a advertising site. It is more like a digital pub where many come to spend time and sometimes buy something that someone else is selling. Most scalpers prefer auctions as it pushes the price up. Here one of the rules is asking price must be in the listing. So firstly the seller will attract comments suggesting they are over priced etc.....and secondly with the price already listed- the buyer knows what they are getting-

If you want to make a dent in scalping try addressing the exorbitant costs to ship rifles around the country....

It is simple supply and demand, and if we remove demand price drops....

[Nickoli]

After a recent thread selling projectiles we'll above retail appeared here. To try limit scalping I suggest we ban scalping outright on the forum. Its happening in the states bad so I think we jump on it early as it just makes it harder to buy powder as people will buy it just to sell it.

I would say that limit pricing on reloading items to highest retail pricing to try control pricing.

I would personally like to see a single warning to any member scalping on this forum. And then a ban or an instant ban for low post count accounts that are not contributing and only come here to use the buy sell threads for free.

....Respectfully....it all sounds very Red-party/Green-party - if they don't like something, they ban it ....or tax the shit out of it.... or appear on the news and state "I reject (insert whatever question pops up here....) - rather than letting the market decide....
If someone has something that another member desires, at a price mutually acceptable to both parties..... who has the time to police this shit....?
I see where you are coming from though

[Stocky]

....Respectfully....it all sounds very Red-party/Green-party - if they don't like something, they ban it ....or tax the shit out of it.... or appear on the news and state "I reject (insert whatever question pops up here....) - rather than letting the market decide....
If someone has something that another member desires, at a price mutually acceptable to both parties..... who has the time to police this shit....?
I see where you are coming from though

Respectfully I disagree and I'd hardly call myself either of those coming from a Ranching Montana Republican to NZ farming background. I understand your opinion and disagree but banning things on moral grounds isn't a side of a political argument. This is a community and as such I think its should be kept as such if people want to price gouge do it on trademe a place made to buy sell etc. This is just a perk of the forum. Plus either side often suggests rules as I have. I created a poll to give an indication of forum opinion on the matter and finally it realistically falls down to what the forum owner wants and whether they consider the poll results at all.

[Nickoli]

Respectfully I disagree and I'd hardly call myself either of those coming from a Ranching Montana Republican to NZ farming background. I understand your opinion and disagree but banning things on moral grounds isn't a side of a political argument. This is a community and as such I think its should be kept as such if people want to price gouge do it on trademe a place made to buy sell etc. This is just a perk of the forum. Plus either side often suggests rules as I have. I created a poll to give an indication of forum opinion on the matter and finally it realistically falls down to what the forum owner wants and whether they consider the poll results at all.

Refer to my earlier post:

[QUOTE] If someone has something that another member desires, at a price mutually acceptable to both parties..... who has the time to police this shit....? [QUOTE]

We've all seen plenty of examples where something has been listed here for sale and members promptly point out an absurd asking price - or the item gets bumped more times than the number of enquiries.....
Scalpers suck, sure - but there is a market....or there isn't....don't like it - don't buy it....

[LookingForMauser]

Thank you but No. I don't want to see communism making small steps on this forum.

[Stocky]

Thank you but No. I don't want to see communism making small steps on this forum.

I get called a right wing nut from one side and a communist by the other goes to show I'm probably more centered than you might think. Murder is banned as its immoral doesn't make the person that suggesting banning murder communist. People constantly bitch about price fixing and anticompetitive behavior by the likes of H&F. I dont see the difference. To be honest the fact you see everything as communism tells me we wont ever have a meaningful discussion.

[LookingForMauser]

I get called a right wing nut from one side and a communist by the other goes to show I'm probably more centered than you might think. Murder is banned as its immoral doesn't make the person that suggesting banning murder communist. People constantly bitch about price fixing and anticompetitive behavior by the likes of H&F. I dont see the difference. To be honest the fact you see everything as communism tells me we wont ever have a meaningful discussion.

Impressive how rapidly you jumping to conclusions. Haven't got any idea why I am seeing "everything as communism".. but Hey if you say so

[Nickoli]

Murder is banned as its immoral doesn't make the person that suggesting banning murder communist.

Have a re-read of that.... if you are looking to further your argument or seek meaningful discussion; your example does you no favors.....

[Stocky]

Murder is banned as its immoral, that doesn't make banning murder a communist value.

Have a re-read of that.... if you are looking to further your argument or seek meaningful discussion; your example does you no favors.....

Added grammar. My point being that banning something on moral grounds doesn't make it leftwing/communist. People on either side of an argument can have either opinion. If your going to call something communist make sure its actually communist. Also labelling things with extreme labels is a pretty red-party/green-party (think this "hate speech" debarcle going on).
Apologies for the slightly heated replies I hold no personal disdain towards anyone but tying me to communism/leftwing ideas is a quick way to get under my skin.

Anyway I proposed the rule as I thinks its morally reprehensible and has no place on the forum which is supposed to be a community.

It doesn't really matter what I think as an individual anyway hence the poll. It's admins/forum owners call in the end.

It was just a proposal after all, I'm done with the discussion and will let the poll speak for itself.

Have a good day and hot barrels everyone.

[Tahr]

I get called a right wing nut from one side and a communist by the other goes to show I'm probably more centered than you might think. Murder is banned as its immoral doesn't make the person that suggesting banning murder communist. People constantly bitch about price fixing and anticompetitive behavior by the likes of H&F. I dont see the difference. To be honest the fact you see everything as communism tells me we wont ever have a meaningful discussion.

"Communist" is the new social media catch word and mostly used out of context. Most who use the term wouldn't know what communism is.

No matter what the political bent or persuasion, society still requires some sort of regulating. "No rules" is a fools paradise.

But I don't think there needs to be a rule about pricing on here.