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no one was actively promoting anything

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Originally Posted by Tussock

Save being whatever brand of hero you are for some place else.

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So says THE most bitter and twisted ex mod of the other place who behaved like such a twat he had to be ex modded?? could be factually incorrect but that was the impression I got?

I think we kinda agree with each other about not being a knob online, but really I think that people get far too stressed out about "what people might think" and "putting hunters in a bad light" and I recon that is just a hangover of the other side. Try reading a motocycle forum - those guys seriously arent too worried about offending people and for me go way over the top some times (I dont read that forum any more) :o

If people ALREADY cant have a robust debate here because "people might be looking" then you have in my view lost whatever you have gained for all your hard work, you have become what you sought to destroy.

you can think what you want about me as it aint going to stop me from being me, i actually started to believe this forum was a more relaxed and better place to hang out than the other forum, but you guys have proved me wrong, calling me names because i played on some wording is pretty fuckin pathetic

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Originally Posted by Pointer

Whoa, I think everyone needs to roll up a nice fat one and chill

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hope your not talking about a fat joint mate, you might get the mods shitty as some important people might see your post

well what would you prefer a prison warden type approach like the other place and being restricted by what you can say and do or would you rather have the freedom over here but just tow the line like the moderators want without having any crap being thrown about this thread is about some ground rules to keep the place ticking along smoothly without getting too many feathers ruffled, take it from me it is not worth the trouble getting all wound up over stuff like this and for the record I probably hold the record over there for the amount of times I have rejoined got caught then banned again I am not proud of that but I have learned the hard way to just play by the rules and everything will be a box of fluffies.

i have posted the same picture over there and they can see the play on words, unlike a few here. anyway enuff from me

I made a mistake. I read it wrong, assuming you were only talking explicitly about weed. Clearly actual grass is something that is used by goose hunters. I don't shoot geese, I don't know.

gimp pm sent

I believe the idea of this forum was to be all that the other was not. I don't think that being a bit rougher than the other is a bad thing. I also don't think that we are trying to compete with member numbers either, so a bit rougher hunting camp where we can all share a barbie, well, to be honest, when I saw that I thought "Yeap this is the forum for me".
I hope we do stay on the edge of "good taste", otherwise I beleiev that eventually we will end up like the "dark side" , a victim of it's own sucess.........
My 2c FWIW......
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Originally Posted by Bulltahr

I believe the idea of this forum was to be all that the other was not. I don't think that being a bit rougher than the other is a bad thing. I also don't think that we are trying to compete with member numbers either, so a bit rougher hunting camp where we can all share a barbie, well, to be honest, when I saw that I thought "Yeap this is the forum for me".
I hope we do stay on the edge of "good taste", otherwise I beleiev that eventually we will end up like the "dark side" , a victim of it's own sucess.........
My 2c FWIW......
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Fully agree with every word you have said

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Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

hope your not talking about a fat joint mate, you might get the mods shitty as some important people might see your post

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Like I give a flying bro :P

As long as the middle is wet and juicy:P

Sounds moist.

Lots of wet and juicys here in Twizel this week;)

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Originally Posted by crzyman

Lots of wet and juicys here in Twizel this week;)

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We expect a full report with lots of pics :P

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Originally Posted by hunter308

We expect a full report with lots of pics :P

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now that would disapear:faill:

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Originally Posted by madjon_

now that would disapear:faill:

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I meant respectable pics lol

I agree with your attitude and position Tussock - consideration with regard to language/content is certainly desireable.

If I may add some old-schooler's thoughts - it is important to differentiate between what's ok in a public bar, and what's acceptable in a public domain such as this national and international website.

I link with this site because it is a New Zealand Hunting and Shooting Forum. Important to note 'New Zealand' because it will attract not only kiwis throughout the country, but international viewers also. It is good to present with care as do other nations' sites eg rimfirecentral, marlinowners, leverguns etc. If people wish to vent language/dope detail etc, private blogs are appropriate for that, or perhaps the NORML site.

Further, its important to realise this is specifically a Hunting and Shooting site, that it carries no necessary freedom of swearing and dope discussion etc purpose - and it shouldn't. And here I'd make a point - after 50 years hunting, competing etc I am happy to confirm that lots of swearing, dope talk, pushing social boundaries etc adds precisely zero to your shooting skills, hunting skills, or ability to learn. :) Zero. It is not required to be a competent kiwi hunter. One shooting team I currently belong to has past club/provincial/NZ champions in it - men very capable on range and in field - but you actually don't hear much swearing. It is simply not necessary to be a good hunter/shooter, and its not appropriate in a public forum attracting women viewers, kids, overseas guests etc.

I agree with the call for reasonable self-restraint in speech and content on this public site - setting a reasonably positive and acceptable culture. Its what we do in clubs etc., and as a matter of common sense it's generally self-moderated. I can swear with the best of them esp if I drop and ding a new rifle as I did recently - could have been heard in Rarotonga - but public domain is different. Remember - the core business for this site is hunting and shooting discussion, and excessive bad language/content is neither necessary nor desireable for that. It adds nothing of value at all, and as such isn't a right worth supporting.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

Having said that, another plan is in the works, which should see everyone happy. As you said Mudgripz there is a difference between and pub and the public, but no reason we cant have both;) We will see what we can come up with.

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Me likey mucho!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by mudgripz

I agree with your attitude and position Tussock - consideration with regard to language/content is certainly desireable.

If I may add some old-schooler's thoughts - it is important to differentiate between what's ok in a public bar, and what's acceptable in a public domain such as this national and international website.

I link with this site because it is a New Zealand Hunting and Shooting Forum. Important to note 'New Zealand' because it will attract not only kiwis throughout the country, but international viewers also. It is good to present with care as do other nations' sites eg rimfirecentral, marlinowners, leverguns etc. If people wish to vent language/dope detail etc, private blogs are appropriate for that, or perhaps the NORML site.

Further, its important to realise this is specifically a Hunting and Shooting site, that it carries no necessary freedom of swearing and dope discussion etc purpose - and it shouldn't. And here I'd make a point - after 50 years hunting, competing etc I am happy to confirm that lots of swearing, dope talk, pushing social boundaries etc adds precisely zero to your shooting skills, hunting skills, or ability to learn. :) Zero. It is not required to be a competent kiwi hunter. One shooting team I currently belong to has past club/provincial/NZ champions in it - men very capable on range and in field - but you actually don't hear much swearing. It is simply not necessary to be a good hunter/shooter, and its not appropriate in a public forum attracting women viewers, kids, overseas guests etc.

I agree with the call for reasonable self-restraint in speech and content on this public site - setting a reasonably positive and acceptable culture. Its what we do in clubs etc., and as a matter of common sense it's generally self-moderated. I can swear with the best of them esp if I drop and ding a new rifle as I did recently - could have been heard in Rarotonga - but public domain is different. Remember - the core business for this site is hunting and shooting discussion, and excessive bad language/content is neither necessary nor desireable for that. It adds nothing of value at all, and as such isn't a right worth supporting.

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I agree with every word here.
I joined up fairly early, posted a few times but got sick of the childish "Look at me, I'm a hunter, I can fart and swear and nobody can stop me. Nana, nana, nah, nah!." attitude.
Now I just come in and look to see if things have changed but they haven't so I don't bother logging in.

Moderator = nana in a skirt
Caretaker = nana in long pants
Call yourself whatever you want, it still boils down to the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Spook

Moderator = nana in a skirt
Caretaker = nana in long pants
Call yourself whatever you want, it still boils down to the same thing.

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Practically every forum on the planet has some form of moderators, because people aren't mature enough to moderate themselves.

We're just trying to buck the trend. Mudgripz nailed it.

This forum is a society. A useful and sustainable society has never existed without rules.
To think that this forum can survive without rules or a code that are enforceable and at times punitive is altruistic at best, and naive or self serving at the worst.

I hate rules, but I fear the consequences on this little society without them.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

Someone just described Gav as a Nana:XD:

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:D What are his scones like?

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Originally Posted by graybeard

I agree with every word here.
I joined up fairly early, posted a few times but got sick of the childish "Look at me, I'm a hunter, I can fart and swear and nobody can stop me. Nana, nana, nah, nah!." attitude.
Now I just come in and look to see if things have changed but they haven't so I don't bother logging in.

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While I agree with your sentiment, It's not that bad here. You seem a little hung up on it. Stay a while, I'm sure you'll be fine :)

I make great scones according to my kids

I do nothing like a nana that I know of :P
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Nice . Date scones?

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Originally Posted by crzyman

I make great scones according to my kids

I do nothing like a nana that I know of :P
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Does'nt the smoke normally come out the front of those poxy Holdens :ORLY:

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Originally Posted by sneeze

Nice . Date scones?

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Cheese scones are my thing

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Originally Posted by Philipo

Does'nt the smoke normally come out the front of those poxy Holdens :ORLY:

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I think your thinking about a ford

Look closely - the smoke aint coming off the tyres

he's having a quick hotbox session before nipping down KFC :x_x:

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Originally Posted by crzyman

Cheese scones are my thing

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Thats disapointing.

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Originally Posted by Josh

Practically every forum on the planet has some form of moderators, because people aren't mature enough to moderate themselves.

We're just trying to buck the trend. Mudgripz nailed it.

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That is a very true statement everyone's perception of acceptable and unacceptable content is different so therefore it is difficult to self moderate and this is where the brain needs to be put into gear and think about stuff before you say/type it I know I have to think about what I say alot so I am not misunderstood or inadvertently causing people to be offended or getting myself in to trouble by what I say. It is good to have moderators that police the content on the forum they are responsible for as it keeps everything above board and there is nothing wrong with getting a bit of an oi if you step over the boundaries.If we had no rules then all kinds of debauchery could break out and that would not be a good look for the forum. It is also good that the people who run this forum do not get too carried away with their position unlike some other places I have seen where some of the mods let it go to their heads, I know I have not been here long enough to see the powers that be in action but what I have seen so far actually makes me want to read the threads on this site.

The BEST system of moderation I have seen took all of the unpleasantness out of the situation by having a very depersonalized system

The offending post is replaced entirely by a message that reads something like: This post has contravened forum guidelines and has been removed, link to forum guidelines

Takes any stress out of it. nothing makes the blood boil like a mod (wherami :omg:) editing posts or putting his own dipshit opinions in there, or having your picture replaced by some other random smart assed crap. Better it just goes away and you can find out why (and cool down at the same time)

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Originally Posted by Tussock

This forum has rules. All we are trying to do is avoid it turning into a police state. I live in one of those presently. Not a nice society to be a part of.

The old forum was a harmonious place for a long time. No one on their knew the first thing about forums. It was the first time most people had been on one. At that stage, people cared a lot about the sense of community. It was unmoderated, but at that time, the members themselves would step in and say "hey, chill out" or "pull your head in". People respected one another and the forum its self and it ran beautifully.

Then moderators were introduced. Chosen not from respected members, but from the likes of BB who just wanted to police a forum for a hobby. It created an "us and them" atmosphere, and took away the sense of ownership the members had.

That should not be underestimated. Members are not posting on someone elses forum here. They are posting on their own forum. Its owned by the members here.

Forums run a certain way. Everyone has an idea about how a forum is supposed to work. Mods, rules etc etc. Anyone ever been on a forum that did not have the same issues, the same squabbles etc etc? Clearly, that matching mold does not work.

What will work is cultivating that sense of community and ownership. Your shitting in your own nest if you make a mess round here. This forum is not owned by some business that sells goo out of a cow. Its owned by its members.

I actually quit the other forums mod department when I suggested something be done about the people that niggle constantly but never break any rules, thus causing bulk discontent, ruining the forums atmosphere and never getting pulled up on it. The reply. "we just need to sit back and moderate with an iron fist". I quit right then.

Rules are great, but we dont need a little army of wannabe parking wardens giving people slaps on the wrist with wet buss tickets. We need members to take responsibility for their own forum and create a positive culture where members respect each other, and their opinions. Moderation never works. What works is the members being conscious of the culture of their own forum.

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You got it in one there Tussock, the good thing here is mods have knowledge and experience with hunting and shooting, when you see a mod running around asking why do you stick a pig with a knife etc it makes you wonder what the hell that person is doing helping run a hunting and fishing forum in the first place, that was the thing with the other place it got too big for itself mods went overboard then it became a channel for political purposes which is something that should never have happened.