Thanks for not nuking whole threads

[Hermitage]

I'd like to thank the moderators (a few new ones as well I see), that are removing individual 'problematic posts' rather than just taking a 'lazy-way-out' and nuking the whole thread which was done in the past.

I appreciate this 'sniper shot approach', rather than just dropping the bomb on what could otherwise still be an interesting thread.

[dannyb]

I think between us we are trying not to nuke whole treads, but we are taking the approach of locking threads that become too high maintenance. These locked threads will not disappear but they will be locked from new replies.
As long as nothing too extreme is in there, there is no reason to nuke the whole thread.
Please guys remember us mods are volunteers we receive nothing for the work we do, nor do we expect to. We just want to try and keep this place awesome for everyone.

[7mmsaum]

There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of previous threads that have posts “sniped “ out of them and they have used up hundreds of hours a year of voluntary time and effort and done in such a way as to cause as little disruption as possible.

Whole thread removal is a last resort, and contemplated by many behind the scenes

If losing a thread offends or annoys anyone utilise that emotion to report posts that need bringing to our attention

[Moa Hunter]

@7mmsaum @dannyb Whilst I am not generally in favour of 'more and more endless rules', I think that in the case of forum moderation a new 'code of conduct' would be of use. 'No swearing, derogatory remarks or personal attacks directed at other members' would make a big difference. I have seen time and again members who feel their personal beliefs challenged by the contents of a thread, will attack the man, bait other members, with full intension of stirring up aggressive responses and putting the mods in a position where they can but only delete the thread.
With a 'code of conduct' of some sort in place as soon as a member transgresses they can be blocked from the particular thread saving the information and leaving the level headed members alone to exchange ideas and information

[Moutere]

I disagree, what you’ve just described will only facilitate an echo chamber for the brotherhood of the ‘level headed’.
Simply abiding by the no religion and no politics works just fine in my view.

@7mmsaum @dannyb Whilst I am not generally in favour of 'more and more endless rules', I think that in the case of forum moderation a new 'code of conduct' would be of use. 'No swearing, derogatory remarks or personal attacks directed at other members' would make a big difference. I have seen time and again members who feel their personal beliefs challenged by the contents of a thread, will attack the man, bait other members, with full intension of stirring up aggressive responses and putting the mods in a position where they can but only delete the thread.
With a 'code of conduct' of some sort in place as soon as a member transgresses they can be blocked from the particular thread saving the information and leaving the level headed members alone to exchange ideas and information

[dannyb]

@7mmsaum @dannyb Whilst I am not generally in favour of 'more and more endless rules', I think that in the case of forum moderation a new 'code of conduct' would be of use. 'No swearing, derogatory remarks or personal attacks directed at other members' would make a big difference. I have seen time and again members who feel their personal beliefs challenged by the contents of a thread, will attack the man, bait other members, with full intension of stirring up aggressive responses and putting the mods in a position where they can but only delete the thread.
With a 'code of conduct' of some sort in place as soon as a member transgresses they can be blocked from the particular thread saving the information and leaving the level headed members alone to exchange ideas and information

The problem with that is we already have some very simple rules regarding politics and religion that are constantly being broken or bent, more rules will just result in more moderation.
Derogatory and personal attacks are already not tolerated and when they are reported we deal with them.

[Moa Hunter]

I disagree, what you’ve just described will only facilitate an echo chamber for the brotherhood of the ‘level headed’.
Simply abiding by the no religion and no politics works just fine in my view.

I dont know why politics and religion are deemed banned topics when as dannyb states that these rules are continually broken - it would appear that there is appetite to discuss political matters that affect the firearms owning community. However it is not the ultra vires discussion of these two topics that has resulted in the majority of thread and information deletions. I have seen threads and members removed for discussing Spotlighting, covid, 911, propellant prices, Nordstream, Ukraine, Climate change and thats just what comes to mind as I type. I have also seen members leave because of forum sensor-ship. Member 'Love to Safari' stated that he was leaving this forum and found other forums less censored. Your use and creation of the term 'brotherhood of the levelheaded' is pretty transparent as a derogatory slight and I thank you for making it here, as it is a clear example of just the sort of divisive comments that add nothing to this forum and should in my opinion be banned

[Moa Hunter]

The problem with that is we already have some very simple rules regarding politics and religion that are constantly being broken or bent, more rules will just result in more moderation.
Derogatory and personal attacks are already not tolerated and when they are reported we deal with them.

If "Derogatory and personal attacks are already not tolerated" could we simply have this included in the rules please.

[7mmsaum]

I dont know why politics and religion are deemed banned topics when as dannyb states that these rules are continually broken - it would appear that there is appetite to discuss political matters that affect the firearms owning community. However it is not the ultravires discussion of these two topics that has resulted in the majority of thread and information deletions. I have seen threads and members removed for discussing Spotlighting, covid, 911, propellant prices, Nordstream, Ukraine, Climate change and thats just what comes to mind as I type. I have also seen members leave because of forum sensor-ship. Member 'Love to Safari' stated that he was leaving this forum and found other forums less censored. Your use and creation of the term 'brotherhood of the levelheaded' is pretty transparent as a derogatory slight and I thank you for making it as it is a clear example of just the sort of deriding comments that should in my opinion be banned

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[Micky Duck]

nope..because derogatory is a personal thing..what one fella finds funny,another finds offensive and it may send a third home crying to Mummy ......
and the no religion thing is a classic case in point...its deemed OK to post funnies taking the piss out of God, Jesus,virgin Mary...... but its not OK to have civil discussion thereof......
no politics..yeah dont even need to say anything..... discussion redemotion of S Nash is classic case in point....no issue whatso ever with discussion that was had..civil etc..BUT its politics....and that my friends is almost eggzachary the same line HE CROSSED.....


crossed posts..I was typing at same time as the above.....

[Moutere]

I dont know why politics and religion are deemed banned topics when as dannyb states that these rules are continually broken - it would appear that there is appetite to discuss political matters that affect the firearms owning community. However it is not the ultravires discussion of these two topics that has resulted in the majority of thread and information deletions. I have seen threads and members removed for discussing Spotlighting, covid, 911, propellant prices, Nordstream, Ukraine, Climate change and thats just what comes to mind as I type. I have also seen members leave because of forum sensor-ship. Member 'Love to Safari' stated that he was leaving this forum and found other forums less censored. Your use and creation of the term 'brotherhood of the levelheaded' is pretty transparent as a derogatory slight and I thank you for making it as it is a clear example of just the sort of deriding comments that should in my opinion be banned

If you can’t handle you’re own term of level headed being levelled back at you, then I would suggest you need thicker skin.

[Moa Hunter]

My personal view, and I am not challenging forum rules, is that if a person is sufficiently mature and balanced to be legally entrusted with the safe responsible ownership of firearms, that person should also be sufficiently mature and balanced, even restrained, to engage in debate of any legal subject without loosing their temper etc

[Micky Duck]

well I shall flip that on its head then shall I????
if you loose your temper.....the police should come and take away your guns??????

best they not watch 90% of folks when some dickhead cuts across infront of us at 90kmph....

[Moa Hunter]

If you can’t handle you’re own term of level headed being levelled back at you, then I would suggest you need thicker skin.

Thankyou once again for reinforcing my point, with a clear example of a personal comment that has no place here

[Steve123]

Wow! That escalated quickly.
Who'd have thought a thread on not deleting would turn into an argument about arguing.