good skills in the video, you must more or less take deer when ever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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good skills in the video, you must more or less take deer when ever you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Sat one day on one side of a toi toi with a spiker on the other side, could only see its tips so couldn't identify it for a shot, but only a few feet between us. It seemed to take for ages till he got a whiff and was gone. Good skills on that one Cam, there are times they earn their freedom
Does anyone recommend me using spitwads on deer?
Just because you've seen me do it doesn't mean you should, I'm pro. Stick to your slingshot
What Cal? You would maybe wanna have the flu as well, so the projectile can retain some weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmay
Not quite !Quote:
Originally Posted by bully
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Yeah your right spud, had a bad day and stand corrected, can't wait to get back to n.z. And take the 243 out again
You don't need to tell Timmay, he was taught by the best. Here is a pic of us and the bros from our last trip, before we run out of spitwad toilet paper and went home. In this pic hes trying to stick one to the toilet roof, like in primary schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_aECUpygjyL...gun-Curare.jpg
Funny that. Just as I pictured you blokes:thumbsup:
fascinating!.......why would you put a giant dick and two large plums around your neck if you want to girls to see your lollies?.seams odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointer
Those aren't mere plums mate. They are the dried scrotums of men harder than you. Don't fuck with Timmay! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
In that photo you can see Timmays Actual pouch. What you can't see in that pouch is two balls of solid steel :D
Why is that .22's are fine on goats but are unethical for deer?
In my experience anything that will kill a goat will kill a deer just fine; I think goats are harder to kill. And a big billygoat is much more tenacious of life than the average deer. Deer are easy to kill.
I wouldnt have a problem shooting a deer with a .22 magnum if I had the chance at less then 100metres, or a .22LR at less than 75 metres. Although I would have to think whether I would use solids or hollowpoints.
Certainly I think I would put money on the guy with the .22LR making a more reliable kill than a chap with a bow at the same range...
A 22lr firing subs has approximately 95ft/lbs at 30 yards
My bow has about 60ft/lbs at 30
The bow cuts a 1 1/4 inch hole in the deer
The 22lr cuts a .22 inch hole...
Make of that what you want
And the arrow will cut that hole right threw .Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
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This type of question and people's varying opinions come up regularly on forums and it's always interesting seeing different people's responses.
You can tell a lot about a persons actual experience and ethics by what they write!
My point is you're not going to hit a deer reliably in the chest at 75 metres with a bow. Whereas with a .22 and a scope and a rested position I can put a bullet in the head or top of the neck. And it doesnt matter how big a hole the arrow makes - a .22LR normal velocity will go right through a deer skull at that range; it will shatter the bone stir the brain and exit. Money on the .22 guy.
At 40 metres and less, then sure your bow is a devastating killer. But the .22 rifle will still do the job if you've got the shot, and if you've got the bowshot then you've got the .22 shot.
These are my thoughts on this matter.
Ethics in NZ are not the same as in the United States, Africa or England and other places where they actually have some. We poison our animals with 1080. Our government enables chopper shooters with .223's and young chaps buy books about doing it.
Out of interest, how much margin for error is there in hitting a deer brain with a 22LR? I ask as once I had a young goat just stand there bleating at me after 3x 22mag rounds to the head at maybe 70m. It was incapacitated enough for me to walk up and cut its throat without it running away, but not a nice feeling making an animal suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Checked my zero afterwards and it was shooting an inch to the right as I'd grabbed the wrong box of ammo, it didn't take much for me to have hit a bit far forward on the skull and missed the critical part of the brain.
ok by the sounds of your first comment i thought you meant taking a lung/heart shot on a deer with the 22.
A brain shot with any calibre is going to kill a deer carlsen, you dont need to explain how it does it haha
Not much if front or side on but looking away there is a larger margin for error height wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
You can club a deer to death with a stick, doesn't make it ethical. Leave the .22 for small game and break out the centre fires for reds.
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Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
Perazzi, I only spelled it out because a bunch off people think that a .22lr will richochet off a deer's skull. but its not true.
my 5 cents worth ...
good on you for having the confidence and ability to use such a small underpowered round
BUT coming here and claiming "bragging rights" dosnt sit right with me
Now, you say that, but I really doubt you could beat a deer to death with a stick. I mean, I really doubt it. It would be like trying to strangle one with your swanndri. I would take the .22 in a flash over the bow and your stick or the swanny...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
Are you talking to me? There are two other people on this thread who have killed over thirty - forty deer with a .22. As far as you know I havn't shot one! I was trying to help the OP with his question.Quote:
Originally Posted by sakkaranz
sorry was meaning the original postQuote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Watch yourself mate...............DeNiro is getting angry:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
.22 over a bow? Mate I think that's a biiiig exaggeration unless you have genuinely no idea about what a bow is capable of doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
I am sure he is meaning in regards to a clean shot with a .22 at a sensible range. I agree. A clean shot from a .22 will immediately immobilise/kill a deer or the like. An arrow in most cases allows it to run off and bleed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
I honestly dont get carlson highways point...
Anything to the brain will kill a deer, drop it on the spot, i could put a arrow in a deers brain and it would drop it on the spot. FACT
If we are comparing apples with apples you would need to compare the same shot placement e.g lung/heart. A bow is going to be FAR more effective than a 22lr.....
If the only way to cleanly kill an animal with a certain weapon is to head shoot it then I think the question has been answered as to whether it is an ethical choice or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
who says you cant shoot a deer in the head with a bow? :D
whitetail Head shot with bow - YouTube
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Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
As a non-bow hunter I have no idea, what sort of accuracy do you get from a bow?
All you ALL talking to me??
you have to read my posts in context of what they were replying to.
I said, at 75 metres you cant kill a deer reliably with a bow because you cant hit the damn thing. I am well aware however that an arrow from a longbow will go through four inches of oak at 100 metres. My point is that I can still head and neck shoot a deer at 75metres with a .22 and he will expire with alacrity, whereas you cant hit it. So my money goes on the .22 shooter.
:ninj::having never beat any animal to death with a stick let alone a red deer can anyone here recommend the minimum weight of said stick .. the minimum diameter and if the type of wood used would make a measurable difference ?? and will i be expecting a one hit kill ??cave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Outside of 40 metres they cant gaurantee anything. I have seen a goat shot straight through the heart at exactly 51 metres, a mighty fine shot and done with a longbow too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
If someone put a gun to my head and said you have to kill that deer over there at 50 metres - right now - do you know what are you going to use - the .22 or the bow? Well, do you punk?
I would volunteer for the .22.
I doubt he'll go down so happily! I consider myself handy with a .22 but I wouldn't be confident of shooting deer in head from 75 m shot after shot. A slow, light projectile like that can be blown a mile by the wind over that distance and only needs to move a couple of inches if you are perfectly still to cause an agonizing death and not an instantaneous kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
If you think people can't shoot with a bow out to that far you've never heard of Tm Wells my friend. This guy is my hunting idol.
New Zealand Tahr, Relentless Pursuit - YouTube
Classic Grizzly Hunt, Relentless Pursuit - YouTube
Kill of the Week 5 - Mid-Air Head Shots! (Argentina Hunt) - YouTube
Tim Wells -- Long Shot -- Hunting Alberta Mule Deer with Trophy Hunters Alberta - YouTube
Some go for a while so skip through if you want but there is good stuff in there, I have 6 of his DVD's at home
Quite accurate, only shoot groups at 20 and beyond or you start getting robin hoods, splitting arrows etc which gets expensive.
Bow shooting has a lot more to do with the shooter than the bow, unlike rifle shooting where the rifle will typically determine how good the groups are.
Things start getting a lot harder when you get past the 35 yard mark with a bow, i personally only shoot game at 30 and under but other, much more experienced shooters would take deer at 50 yards or even further.
