I think there is a legal minimum deer beating stick calibre, you'll have to check on that with DOC :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakkaranz
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I think there is a legal minimum deer beating stick calibre, you'll have to check on that with DOC :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakkaranz
Deer beating stick minimum is .243 diameter, which in my view is just unethical. Might as well use a bloody .22
and you can guarantee a kill form 22 out that far? well done champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
i am by no means anti shooting deer with a 22 etc, i have done it and will continue to do it if the situation arises. I have also shot deer multiple goats and many other critters with the bow, have you?
To answer your question, i would choose the bow, i would take a lung shot and have a much larger margin for error and the likely hood of multiple shots presenting themselves, unlike with the 22.
I would say that bow shooting has a lot to do with the shooter. More so than rifle shooting - yes i agree. But in practical rifle shooting it is almost never the rifle that determines how good the groups are - it is the shooter.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
yeah should have worded it a bit different. I guess what im trying to say is that if i gave a complete newbie a rifle that was zeroed at 100yards and gave no instruction and said shoot that x at 100yards chances are they would get pretty close.
If i gave them a bow chances are they wouldnt even be able to draw the bow and get a shot off, let alone get the arrow anywhere near the target
Of course I can. So can you if you tried even just a little bit. Champ. And out to 75 metres, meanwhile, good luck with your stick and peice of string at 75.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerazziSC3
And yes, champ, I have done a lot with a recurve and a longbow.
I have trouble taking anyone serious who tries to compare a .22lr and a 243.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
I think you know that you are lying to yourself if you think you can hit a deer in the brain with every shot from a .22 and kill it everytime from that distance. I've mishit from closer distances on bigger calibres and hit perfect shots out to 550m but I'd never stand here and say I don't miss.
Try the compound bow mate, can shoot a lot further a lot more consistently!
at what point did i say i was going to shoot anything with a bow at 75???? that would be "unethical" in my opinion, because i no the limit of my ability. Many animals have been killed at 75 and beyond with a bow, but by much more skilled archers and better hunters than myself.
You never did, Perazzi, neither did I. I said you can't, but that you can kill a deer reliably at 75 metres with a .22 magnum with head and top of the neck shots. What there to dispute?
Bavarian, the .243 is the minimum stick size for beating a deer to death with.
Jesus you guys are hard work :)
I'm going to buy you a beer next time I'm in NZ, I've always wanted to shake the hand of a bloke who doesn't miss :beer: :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
Where did he say he never misses? People can miss at 20m with a 308, doesn't mean you can't kill deer reliably with one.
:cave:maybe bavarian hunter and carlsen highway need to get a room...
or over it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sakkaranz
Just to bring a variation to the forum, has anyone shot and killed deer with buckshot, I fired 4 shots with a 12 gauge pump with 3 inch buckshot, at 3 hinds close together from 70 meters and got nothing, is this the norm?
Haha im going to stay out of this one....
At 70m that's probably quite normal :D
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Be a bit far maybe? I've only used it on a turkey at 50m, 3 shots only one pellet in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydcj
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Originally Posted by lloydcj
lolll
There's a certain aggressive lack of reading comprehensionQuote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway
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Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter
My Bavarian Australian mate rings up an salient point here - if the only shot is a head shot then is it an ethical choice?
I think the answer is that within the range you can reliably do that then the answer is yes, but the question limits the full answer - a high neck shot will kill them just as dead. I know a couple of guys who have killed deer with chest shots with .22LR (not magnum) one was through the side behind the leg and it slipped through the ribs, the other fired from diagonally from the rear and it went behind the ribs and forward through the lungs. The .22 bullet will penetrate quite a long waysince its going so slow, especially solids. People would be suprised I think.
But I think we can agree that a .22 magnum on deer is best left to experienced chaps.
Seriously? If so, yup, its the norm. I have killed and seen a few shot, with buckshot. TBF 20-25m max, for any real consistency at all. Thats down to pattern. A pellet would kill a deer at 70 if it sconed it, but as you found out it is unlikely.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydcj
I can count quite easily how many deer and the like animals I have body shot in my life. Is a head shot ethical? Meat shooting demanded it if you wanted to get paid.
I like headshots. I think I've only ever fucked up 2.
I shot a rabbit at 76 meters with #4 shot once
I ranged it because I was like, nah, that didn't just happenQuote:
Originally Posted by gimp
#6 is good, but only on headshots and only if you don't want the head :wtfsmilie:Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydcj
Maybe Carlsen would like to inform this guy about how in accurate bows are for hunting
The dove bow hunter. - YouTube
That's impressive.
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Target shot at 60m. Attachment 12787
After fitting the drop away rest to my compound bow, this wasn't an uncommon grouping for me at this sort of range.
I was practicing probably 3 evenings a week at the time and shooting the club competitions regularly.
I stopped shooting at the same target dot at 20m because this got expensive!
Attachment 12788
Modern compound bows are incredibly accurate!
It is still down to the person behind the weapon to know their own personal limits though.
A deers head is the most animated part of its body, it is the target with the smallest margin for error. Even with a large centrefire, it's the target I least like to shoot at.
Between the shooter making the decision to fire, and the bullet striking the target, the deers head can be a couple of inches away from where it was when the bullet was sent down range.
If a soft lead .22lr or .22 magnum round connects at anything less than an almost ideal angle with anything, it will ricochet and in my early days of trying to head shoot foxes with the above rounds, I heard the bullet do this on quite a few occasions, thus being the reason I started chest shooting them with the .22 instead.
As I have gained more experience, both my shot selection and ethics have changed. Their are occasions when I still take head shots on deer, but for me the .22 has way too small a margin of error.
To each, their own!
looks like ya missed a few with all those holes:D
