Thread: .22 Power.

As a .22 plinker of many years, I've found myself shooting predominantly ICI .22 Standard Velocity rounds. This causes thought as to which of the latest HV whiz-bang stuff, has the highest energy at 100metres? Anyone know?

Not sure, but in theory it is relatively easy to work out. They post advertised velocities and weight on the packet. You simply get the weight (GR) and multiply it by the velocity x Velocity

Or do what I do and put the speed and weight into a ballistic calculator and let some smart IT type figure out the rest..

https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady...alculators/#!/

CCI Velicitor.

A well placed shot with a lower energy projectile is often a cleaner kill than a poorly placed shot carrying higher energy, particularly with non-jacketed projectiles that don't deform enough to release their energy in the first place.

My recommendation with a .22LR at 100m is don't worry so much about the energy, and focus on accuracy - test a bunch of different ammo and use what is most accurate in your rifle. Work out your maximum 'minute of rabbit' distance based on your grouping and stick to that max range. Most of my .22's will shoot CCI standard velocity into 1/2 the group size of the extreme speed stuff at 100m. That said, I personally limit my .22LR range to 75m on rabbits.

I made up a life size rabbit target for testing. Printed on A4 paper this is pretty much spot on. It has the vital kill zones circled. To work out your max effective range, you need to be able to get 100% of your rounds grouped into either of the kill zones.

Originally Posted by hotbarrels

A well placed shot with a lower energy projectile is often a cleaner kill than a poorly placed shot carrying higher energy, particularly with non-jacketed projectiles that don't deform enough to release their energy in the first place.

My recommendation with a .22LR at 100m is don't worry so much about the energy, and focus on accuracy - test a bunch of different ammo and use what is most accurate in your rifle. Work out your maximum 'minute of rabbit' distance based on your grouping and stick to that max range. Most of my .22's will shoot CCI standard velocity into 1/2 the group size of the extreme speed stuff at 100m. That said, I personally limit my .22LR range to 75m on rabbits.

I made up a life size rabbit target for testing. Printed on A4 paper this is pretty much spot on. It has the vital kill zones circled. To work out your max effective range, you need to be able to get 100% of your rounds grouped into either of the kill zones.

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Agree with this, my longest distance rabbits and hares have all been with either CCI std velocity or SK Standard, both of which are just roundnose non expanding bullets. ive shot several hares and rabbits over 100m with it, the furthest few were between 150 and 165m. dropped them on the spot, just need to get your trajectory dialed in

velocitors i mainly use for goats up close in a semi

Originally Posted by hotbarrels

A well placed shot with a lower energy projectile is often a cleaner kill than a poorly placed shot carrying higher energy, particularly with non-jacketed projectiles that don't deform enough to release their energy in the first place.

My recommendation with a .22LR at 100m is don't worry so much about the energy, and focus on accuracy - test a bunch of different ammo and use what is most accurate in your rifle. Work out your maximum 'minute of rabbit' distance based on your grouping and stick to that max range. Most of my .22's will shoot CCI standard velocity into 1/2 the group size of the extreme speed stuff at 100m. That said, I personally limit my .22LR range to 75m on rabbits.

I made up a life size rabbit target for testing. Printed on A4 paper this is pretty much spot on. It has the vital kill zones circled. To work out your max effective range, you need to be able to get 100% of your rounds grouped into either of the kill zones.

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100% on the money, I only use sub's and they kill very effectively from 10 mtrs to well out past 100mtrs............with correct shot placement.

Velocitor have good test results on ballistic he’ll on you tube,go really well in my Brno .I use mostly subs though these days and rely on accurate shot placement to kill.

I've found that essentially all of the flash high velocity stuff is Rubbish. It falls dismally short of the advertised MV. I've tested Velocitor, Stinger, Aguila Super Max and Interceptor. Some of it is just snake oil. Worse is they generally have poor standard deviation. The most consistent HV ammo I have found, in terms of the claimed MV and good SD across the chrony, has been the 36gr CCI Mini Mag.

In my experience, standard velocity kills small pests just fine.

I'm surprised that Standard wins the 'race' as it were. For sheer velocity, it appears that the age old Stinger, Velocitor and Mini mag win hands down. Thanks for that, sort of what I expected.

Originally Posted by hotbarrels

A well placed shot with a lower energy projectile is often a cleaner kill than a poorly placed shot carrying higher energy, particularly with non-jacketed projectiles that don't deform enough to release their energy in the first place.

My recommendation with a .22LR at 100m is don't worry so much about the energy, and focus on accuracy - test a bunch of different ammo and use what is most accurate in your rifle. Work out your maximum 'minute of rabbit' distance based on your grouping and stick to that max range. Most of my .22's will shoot CCI standard velocity into 1/2 the group size of the extreme speed stuff at 100m. That said, I personally limit my .22LR range to 75m on rabbits.

I made up a life size rabbit target for testing. Printed on A4 paper this is pretty much spot on. It has the vital kill zones circled. To work out your max effective range, you need to be able to get 100% of your rounds grouped into either of the kill zones.

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Hi @hotbarrels - that is a great target. Do you have it stored as a file you might consider sharing? I've often thought I should practice offhand and semi-supported with the 22 as these sort of shots are common when stalking bunnies in the long grass and such where I usually hunt.

We have some reactive steel targets at the range but you can only shoot them from one bay normally so having this would be useful to put up on any target board and practice placement. Cheers!

Originally Posted by outlander

I'm surprised that Standard wins the 'race' as it were. For sheer velocity, it appears that the age old Stinger, Velocitor and Mini mag win hands down. Thanks for that, sort of what I expected.

There’s also the fiocchi 32gr hyper velocity


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It's the same old story - speed thrills, but accuracy does the killing.

Originally Posted by outlander

As a .22 plinker of many years, I've found myself shooting predominantly ICI .22 Standard Velocity rounds. This causes thought as to which of the latest HV whiz-bang stuff, has the highest energy at 100metres? Anyone know?

I have achieved the most consistent results at 100m shooting at metal plates using CCI Standard and MiniMag. If I was to choose a runner-up it would be Stinger.

CCI Sub-sonics: 40gr 1050 fps
CCI Standard: 32gr 1070 fps
CCI MiniMag: 38gr 1260 fps
CCI Velocitor: 40gr 1435 fps
CCi Stinger: 32gr 1640 fps
CCI Copper: 21gr 1850 fps

Round nosed solids for me, after being suprised by their consistent accuracy and velocity I managed to get several thousand rounds of winchester m 22 for a very good price.
The stuff was evidently designed for use with .22 ar conversions and the demand suddenly dissapeared!
Anyhow the claimed velocity of 1250 is wrong it's 1215 with a SD of 8 which is pretty bloody good.
I don't think hollow points really are that much better at small game shooting velocities and I'm sure some of the hollow pointing I've seen must throw the balance off.

how do the copper ones go for expansion and accuracy ?