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Hi Happy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
I am about to load a batch of 55gr, Nosler, Solid Base, boat tail, Spitzers. I don't know whether you can still buy them now. I have a few less than 100 left.
27.5 gr of BL-C 2. Behind them. I havn't loaded this powder before myself. But recently I was giver 20 rounds to try. They appear fast and accurate.
I have been using Nosler Partitions 60gr but I thought they were a bit hard. I didn't have them going fast enough either I felt.
Yes as I was saying that was a problem inn places like the Ureweras where we did a lot of shooting. It was mostly slip and riverbed shooting there. But when a deer carrying a bit of lead made it into the podocarp it was not that easy to finish off unless you had the AR15 handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I've used that load too with various 55 grn bullets. Mainly Lapua when in the trees for a living. It's an underrated powder. Burns a bit dirty though. Used it in .222 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
BL-C2 behaves almost exactly the same as the new powder CFE223.
I use 2206sc and 69 grn Targex @ 3k and 2208 and 55grn Barnes @ 3.2k now. Shoot in the same place so I just use the Targex for longer shots. I've used them out to 290 yards, but mainly the Barnes under 200 yards. Barrel 20".
BL-C2 is also excellent in short barrelled 7-08 with 120 and 140 grn.
Is that you chomping on the supplejack VC?Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Thanks Tahr, you have added to my store of knowledge on this powder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I think you are right about BL-C 2 being known as dirty powder. The early M16 that gave a bit of trouble in Vietnam were burning this powder or a close cousin to it.
no that is bald bobQuote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
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Solid unitQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by Scribe
Ah I see.
He is the DonKey (private joke on many levels :yaeh am not durnk:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Enough saidQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I have 90 grain hollow point loaded for 223 they work well
I have over the years developed an affection for the hollow point. Kawekakid I have been eyeing the hollows that xring is making with interest. I just think a 60gr hollow point projectile would be the best in my rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by kawekakid
Mostly this is just intuition but I have this feeling. Up until recently I Have been using the lighter hollow points on deer with good success but I feel they are a bit frangible.
a couple of months ago scribe did a great article on the 222. seeing the bullet hitting the deer through the scope . when using a 223 with 75 gr to 90 gr bullets is that still possible and also what about a 243 with 85gr. cheers
yes and yes
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I have not had a 223 that I thought would stabilise a 75 to 90 gr so don't use them. Current rifle is 1 in 12 twist so 60's are the highest I go. I have such success with the fast 55's and that is what I am currently loading.Quote:
Originally Posted by jefftrevor
These suit my method of shooting through the ribs admirably. It doesn't take a heavy bullet to break in and the organ damage from the 55gr is something to see. Rib shots give a wide margin of error. (Base of the neck to last rib)
On a long shot I might hit the shoulder, though I curse the loss of meat as both shoulders are often destroyed.
Now I content myself with one deer at a time. But if I want a second I will shoot the lead animal on the last rib back destroying the liver but keeping it on its feet for the few seconds necessary to kill the other.
Head and neck are a sometimes shot and I have no complaints with the 55's there either.
If I went back to the 243 (though that is not likely now) I would continue to use the 85 sierra HPBT because we had such success with them over the years.
This may be an old fashioned view. But dead is dead and as far as I know there are no degrees of dead. It is a long time since I wounded a deer.
second part of my question is. I bought my rifle brand new 50 years ago, a parker hale 270. it is a great accurate rifle but I have never seen the bullet hit the deer. it is the only rifle I have used is this normal or is it bad technique.I have toyed with the idea of getting a 223 but not if I am not able to see the bullet hit the deer.
Never under estimate the mighty 223. Ive shot all my deer with it up to 180-200m and all have been accounted for with the 55gr. Shot placement is key, but it makes you a better hunter I believe.
If you are able to follow through on your shot and watch it you should be able to see the bullet impact on the deer. Generally though at closer ranges with a higher powered rifle you won't see the bullet impact as in the time it takes for you to recover from the recoil it has already hit the deer. A rifle with less recoil allows you to watch the shot a bit easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by jefftrevor
nothing wrong with 223 deer cullers used 222 for years.... as others have said shot placement is important as with any rifle but more so as you go down in cal
my advice would be plenty of range time I would do shooting at all distances starting at 25m and working in 25m increments 25,50,75,100,125,150 and so on so and write it all down
for example
25m 1" high
50m 1/2" high
75m 1/4" high
100m dead on
125m 1/4 inch low
and so on you could even tape the info to your butt for quick reference so you know exactly where your shot is going at said distance so you can be dead on the mark when you need to make it count
Dad and I use the sierra 63gr SMPs - they are simply deadly on deer. As you mention the worst bit about shoulder shooting them is you loose the meat. My 223 is a 1:9 twist and Dad's a 1:12 twist. Both stabilise the 63gr projectiles fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
Yep, using these in my .243 at the moment. And I thought my 223 was bad for damaging meat! The 85gr Sierra HPBTs kill stuff dead - very impressed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
You don't automaticly have to discard the shoulders if shot there, usually the actual damage is confined to a 3 inch diameter circle, yes there will be blood between the muscles but the muscles themselves will usually be fine if separated and trimmed.
just saying :)
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Some shoulders are of the yearlings I have shot are real bad. I am not picky but I even have trouble persuading the Labs its edible. It smells like meat but it sure doesn't look like or have the texture of meat that I would eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Usually a few razor sharp slivers of copper with pulverised shards of bone are mixed in with it that I would hate to bite on or swallow. I gnashed a piece of steel shot recently that nearly knackered a tooth and sent me out of my seat hollering like a Bantu.
Oh the mental image that conjures. I have broken more than one tooth through sitar experiences. Not fun at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scribe
I was wondering if anything over sixty grains would stabilise in the 1.12 twist Gillie. Thanks for that information. Yes those Sierra 85 hollow point can make a mess. Shoot ribs or head and neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Whats the easiest way to work out the twist rate of your barrel if you dont know it?
a tight patch on cleaning rod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusky
mark its depth and rotation then pull out slowly till it has done one turn and mark.
measure between marks, 12 inches would be 1 in 12 or one turn for every 12 inches.
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+1Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Or if its a modern rifle google it, most manufacturers will post their twist rates.
What rifle is it?
@Gillie would you mind sharing powder and starting point load data ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Its a ZKK 601 brno 223. I knew how to do the rod thing but have only a pull through so not sure if it will work properly.
Very Useful Cam - especially if you suspect it may have been re-barrelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by Rusky
I am pretty sure those had a 1:12 twist.
No, the pull through won't work ;)
@HappyQuote:
Originally Posted by Happy
In the 223 with the Sierra 63gr SMPs i am using BM2 powder. Starting For a starting load i would recommend 24gr and work your way from there.
In the 243 with the Sierra 85gr HPBT i suggest you work with your reloading manual. I am running a relatively hot load with these.
Came upon this old thread as I have just bought a Tikka T3X Superlite Aspire in 223Rem. I love the rifle & have tried 2 bullets - Hornady 55 gr SP cannelure & Sierra 60gr HP. Just 60 rounds fires in 5 shot groups & some promising 1 inch groups could be fine tuned. The Dierra 60gr HP does not feed properly as the HP tip hits the barrel edge and does not feed into the chamber.
I also have some old bullets - 55 gr Nosler Flat base SP and Sierra 60 gr SP. I think the 60gr SP will feed like other SPs and may be good on fallow deer.
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Originally Posted by Scribe
Good to see my opinion from 11 years ago was correct
