257 roberts

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

Indeed it does, it has a certain old school cachet.

Whenever I write something its always about killing deer, and with a 6.5 and 120's, I found that the 120's killed deer better in the 6.5x55 than the 140's. I thought there was a definite difference.

Your comment about the .243 having more potential than a .25/06, I don't quite understand, perhaps a typo and you meant the .257 Roberts, but I would disagree with you even there, assuming both loaded to the same pressures. But this is not a put down of the .243 because I love that little killer like a brother and I am trying not to buy another one at the moment.

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You just haven't been using the correct 140 grain bullets, I think.

Absolutely not a typo, but as above, it depends how you define potential.

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Originally Posted by gimp

also the .243, correctly loaded, has more potential than a .25-06. well, bye again

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Normally your comments are quite reasonable.......but now you are talking from La La Land! ;)

Similar weight projectiles are available in both .243 and .257 calibres. And with the 25-06 you can load them to be doing the same speeds as a .243 or load them to go faster if you desire....therefore I would suggest the 25-06 has more potential.

I still have the dies sitting in my cupboard and one day I'll get another Roberts. With the advances in powder projectile design since I was using mine in the 90's and early 2000's I think it has the potential to be better than it was. I would love to try the 115gn barnes projectiles, or even their 100gn pills! I can see those National Park Stags cringing now with fear!!!

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Originally Posted by Kudu

Normally your comments are quite reasonable.......but now you are talking from La La Land! ;)

Similar weight projectiles are available in both .243 and .257 calibres. And with the 25-06 you can load them to be doing the same speeds as a .243 or load them to go faster if you desire....therefore I would suggest the 25-06 has more potential.

I still have the dies sitting in my cupboard and one day I'll get another Roberts. With the advances in powder projectile design since I was using mine in the 90's and early 2000's I think it has the potential to be better than it was. I would love to try the 115gn barnes projectiles, or even their 100gn pills! I can see those National Park Stags cringing now with fear!!!

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Potential is a quite open term, fortunately.

I'd never own a .25-06 but another .243 would definitely be on the cards.

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Originally Posted by gimp

Potential is a quite open term, fortunately.

I'd never own a .25-06 but another .243 would definitely be on the cards.

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Not really comparing apples with apples there @gimp.
I would be interested to hear YOUR definition of 'potential" though.

"potential for me to own it" would be one way of looking at it


"offering the right mix of characteristics to make it an attractive and sensible choice" might be another way of phrasing it, although meaning the exact same thing

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Originally Posted by gimp

"potential for me to own it" would be one way of looking at it


"offering the right mix of characteristics to make it an attractive and sensible choice" might be another way of phrasing it, although meaning the exact same thing

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more 'suitability' than potential then.

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Originally Posted by gimp

Potential is a quite open term, fortunately.

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Very true. Potentially I could be the worlds greatest lover, and potentially I could hit a chamois at 1000 yards with an open sighted .303! Both not bloody likely though!

I'm with you though @gimp I'll never own another 25-06. Been there done that.

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Just remembered I had a couple of old pics of my Roberts' victims.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

You also said you'd be mad to use 120s in a 6.5?
Now I don't know what to believe....

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Not gimp. He's talking out his arse.

Intresting the way this thread has gone, I kinda like the 1/4 bore, currently own a finlight 2506, shot a few deer, goats etc, worked as well as anything else, I have used, But the old 2506 is limited a bit with a short 22" barrel and likely no faster that a 257 Roberts.
Shot a few deer with a 250 savage, another old but capable deer cal. :cool:
Only about 3g difference in powder capacity, between the 243 and 257 bob, so really not a lot of difference, the bob being able to handle heavier bullets at sensiable speeds. 110gr accubond at 2900 ish.
The 1/4 bore, is the dog, in long range bullets, no one makes a decient BC bullet, good enough to 400 , after that pick some thing else. 6.5, 7mm etc.
Local gun store selling cooper fire arms, said he sell lots of .257 Roberts, and even more off the improved version,
I would like one, in a win M70 featherweight, but already got a featherweight in 7x57, so no real need.
As the starting poster asked about 22-250, I had two and sold them both off, might have kept one, but the 1-14 twist is a handicap, they are too noisy and expensive for varminting, great for long range predator hunting, If either of mine would have been able to shoot a 70-75gr bullet might have keep it , but I traded them off for a New CDL 6mm Remington. :thumbsup:

I to have used the .25 cal for many years in both 25/06 and 25/08 IMP but also only out to 500M, and yes the 06 is better off with a 24" barrel which is why I had the 25/08 made as I could get over 3000 fps with the 120 grn out of a 22" barrel with only 49 grns of powder.
Great cal but have now changed to the 6.5 and at this stage it doesn't do anything that the .25 couldn't do, so who knows maybe ill have another 25/08 soon.

This has been a great thread. So entertaining.
It pretty much proves that if you haven't done it a lot, or seen it a lot, you are just guessing. :D

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This has been a great thread. So entertaining.
It pretty much proves that if you haven't done it a lot, or seen it a lot, you are just guessing. :D

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You don't have to take a big ol' bite out of a shit sandwich to make an educated guess that it's not real tasty

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You don't have to take a big ol' bite out of a shit sandwich to make an educated guess that it's not real tasty

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I thought you said "bye". :thumbsup:

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I hope this thread carries on, I'd like to hear some real world experience of a 24" 25-06 running an accurate 100gr Nosler Bt at 31-3200fps.
Take a bit of beating over 3-400 yrds.

lol me too ... sorry if im a little hard to understand im just finishing my shit sandwich :sick:

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I hope this thread carries on, I'd like to hear some real world experience of a 24" 25-06 running an accurate 100gr Nosler Bt at 31-3200fps.
Take a bit of beating over 3-400 yrds.

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3200fps is not hard to achieve with a 24" barrel however I mainly used 120Grn Hornady Hp and they worked great at 3100fps, I did use the 100 Nosler BT in my 25/08 and the 110 AB and they ended up being my main loads with N160 powder.

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I hope this thread carries on, I'd like to hear some real world experience of a 24" 25-06 running an accurate 100gr Nosler Bt at 31-3200fps.
Take a bit of beating over 3-400 yrds.

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I tried a couple box's of 20, (100BT)in my finlight, they didn't group all that good, 2.5" groups, but much better than the 100gr barns, they looked like a shotgun pattern, I shot one sika and about 20 goats to 200m, worked ok, but I have settled on the 110gr accubond,
Winchester Factory loads are 3100fps, and I was 50fps faster over a mates crony, around 1" five shot groups, Only shot game to about 250m, and one shot and done, the only long (350) range chance I fluffed, by being to smart, and got spotted getting into position, should have shot from ten meters back, but I am sure, I aren't the only one, To have tried to get up to a better rest and been outwitted.
I think that the 110-115gr window, is a good place to be with the 2506, 3250-3150 fps and a .450 bc bullet, 100gr, might as well just use a .243 or 6mm rem,
I got my hands on 200 matrix 125gr bonded bullets to try, loaded up 20 and started development, should get back on that again.

I doubt I will get another .25/06, again, I have had two of them so far. Although my caliber selections depend more on the rifle really. I am looking for a .243 though in a desultary fashion. Mainly for sentimental reasons; the .257 Roberts has that work covered.

( I just bought one after posting on this thread the other day, but the bastard thing wouldnt extract, so I took it back. )

What one did you buy?
Don't take anything to that green place. The gunsmith is whoever is handy in the shop....

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Originally Posted by Tahr

Hang about. The 120 grn .257 has a higher SD and BC of the equivalent 6.5

I just think you guys have got the hates on the .257 Roberts because it is low key, not flashy and not full of bullshit. :D

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gotta compare apples with apples,,had one 45 yrs ago now run a 6.5 wildcat

I brought a new weatherby stainless vanguard in 257weatherby and got it shooting good with 110grn accubonds at around 3400 it was the shnizzle on goats but it weighed a ton traded for a tikka t3 6.5x55 which was way more sensible and quieter.

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Originally Posted by Wirehunt

What one did you buy?
Don't take anything to that green place. The gunsmith is whoever is handy in the shop....

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No, I just got my money back. I am too old to buy project rifles.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

If you don't like it because you think its 'obsolete', that's fine, but I think you would have to get creative to make an argument that you couldn't hunt anything you liked in this country with one and do just as well as any other high powered rifle cartridge, except with less recoil. But people who think that way are usually .308 or 7mm-08 owners, and shouldn't be allowed on threads about interesting cartridges.

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:thumbsup: That's good.

I don't really see the point of 25cal guns, seems like a random projectile size that no companies seem bothered about. 2506 obviously has a bit of a following and is readily available in new guns, but unless you already owned one, theres no real reason to get a 257 Roberts or a 250 Savage, that is unless you just want to be different.

In that range of the caliber spectrum, if you wanted the most practical rifle possible you'd be better off to go for a 260 and load lighter bullets. The 120gr bullets have similar BCs to the equivalent 25cal ones and will do a similar speed to a 2506. But you then have the ability to load heavy bullets and have an awesome longrange rifle that'll take down anything in NZ.
2506 might have better factory ammo choices, but Ive honestly never looked.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

You also said you'd be mad to use 120s in a 6.5?
Now I don't know what to believe....

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Why would anyone use 120g in 6.5? For varmint/rabbit control???


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My two cents for fun... I have no experience with 257 nor 22-250. But my experience with .25-06, while I used to think it was an awesome calibre, I've seen and heard too many deer get away, even with very well placed shots (i.e. Straight through both third ribs).
If reading between the lines of ego and preference from some of you, I pick out the crucial differences between the cartridges, it seems to me the 257 typically travels a bit slower and therefore packs a bit more punch, more successfully putting deer on the deck.
I've had similar experiences with my old .308 where I'm now fairly convinced that projectiles travelling in excess of 3000fps are going too fast to generate the internal trauma required to put a large animal down so it stays down. These days I prefer my 6.5x55 because I'm yet to see any animal get up from a 140g SPBT, and I've recovered the last three mushroomed projectiles from my last three deer, with two of those just under the skin on the far side of bullet entry. My projectiles are doing 2560fps at the muzzle.
Each to their own of course, but my unfounded love of super velocity calibres like .25-06 and .22-250 died quite some time ago.
If I was long range target/varmint shooting however...hmmm :)


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Why would anyone use 120g in 6.5? For varmint/rabbit control???


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Because they kill everything from big red stags and wap crosses down. And they do it well.

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My two cents for fun... I have no experience with 257 nor 22-250. But my experience with .25-06, while I used to think it was an awesome calibre, I've seen and heard too many deer get away, even with very well placed shots (i.e. Straight through both third ribs).
If reading between the lines of ego and preference from some of you, I pick out the crucial differences between the cartridges, it seems to me the 257 typically travels a bit slower and therefore packs a bit more punch, more successfully putting deer on the deck.
I've had similar experiences with my old .308 where I'm now fairly convinced that projectiles travelling in excess of 3000fps are going too fast to generate the internal trauma required to put a large animal down so it stays down. These days I prefer my 6.5x55 because I'm yet to see any animal get up from a 140g SPBT, and I've recovered the last three mushroomed projectiles from my last three deer, with two of those just under the skin on the far side of bullet entry. My projectiles are doing 2560fps at the muzzle.
Each to their own of course, but my unfounded love of super velocity calibres like .25-06 and .22-250 died quite some time ago.
If I was long range target/varmint shooting however...hmmm :)


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Sounds like bad choice of projectile ive used .25 cal for years with projectiles doing over 3000fps and never had a deer run off.

^ only factory ammo used


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My two cents for fun... I have no experience with 257 nor 22-250. But my experience with .25-06, while I used to think it was an awesome calibre, I've seen and heard too many deer get away, even with very well placed shots (i.e. Straight through both third ribs).
If reading between the lines of ego and preference from some of you, I pick out the crucial differences between the cartridges, it seems to me the 257 typically travels a bit slower and therefore packs a bit more punch, more successfully putting deer on the deck.
I've had similar experiences with my old .308 where I'm now fairly convinced that projectiles travelling in excess of 3000fps are going too fast to generate the internal trauma required to put a large animal down so it stays down. These days I prefer my 6.5x55 because I'm yet to see any animal get up from a 140g SPBT, and I've recovered the last three mushroomed projectiles from my last three deer, with two of those just under the skin on the far side of bullet entry. My projectiles are doing 2560fps at the muzzle.
Each to their own of course, but my unfounded love of super velocity calibres like .25-06 and .22-250 died quite some time ago.
If I was long range target/varmint shooting however...hmmm :)


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Think you will find, that any given bullet, will carry more energy if travling faster, suspect your poor results are more to do with poor bullet choice or placement, A tsx or bonded bullet in a small deer may not expand fully, before exiting, or may need to strike bone and heavy tissue, ie threw the shoulder rather than behind the shoulder, like wise a varmint or too light a bullet, may not reach vitals,
I tend to shoot threw the front shoulders, rather than behind, Right now I am in Canada, and most everyone up here shoots behind to save more meat, due to restrictions on tags, and amount of game that can be taken. But you don't get any runners, with both shoulders broken.
If you have had a bad run fair enough, move on, personally, I think the 6.5- 7mm bore is more versatile for NZ conditions. love my M70 7x57, and .260
Doesn't much matter what cal you use, if you put the wrong bullet in the right place, or the right bullet in the wrong place, results are generally poor. :omg:

My 2506 kills everything I point it at,120gn Speer Grand Slam at 3200fps as the top round in the mag, in case it is close or tough or a bad angle, and 117gn Sierra Gamekings up next for past 350, never needed a second shot yet, including on Tahr out to nearly 500yd. Dunno about this shooting at the ribs carry on, I want animals to die fast and on the spot. I can punch the Grandslam clean through 10mm mild steel plate at 300yds, guess what happens to an animal shot through the shoulders........... irrespective of calibre (within reason) placement is everything, assuming sensible choice of projectile for the game hunted.

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but unless you already owned one, theres no real reason to get a 257 Roberts or a 250 Savage, that is unless you just want to be different.a

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You could be talking about the 6.5x47 fad that swept through here a few seasons back...

But since we are talking quarter bores here's my .25 worth. ...

The .25 calibers are so intrinsically gay that you may as well own one of the cuter oddball ones like the savage or the roberts, which are ironically more practical and just as useful. Then you won't need to defend the fact you own a a quarter bore

All this coming from a 250 Sav model 99 owner :P

The 250. Now that's a whole nother story...[emoji106]


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I would rather a mate come out of the closet and tell me he is gay than see him come home with a new 25-06. One of those he can't help, he's just bent that way. The other one is just a fuckin poor life decision :P

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I would rather a mate come out of the closet and tell me he is gay than see him come home with a new 25-06. One of those he can't help, he's just bent that way. The other one is just a fuckin poor life decision :P

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Ha classic.
I have a Sako 2506, cause a New Finlight was $1499 and 2506 was the only choice, The sako was a good decision, 2506 was an ok decision.

Were you on the full strength beers last night @Pointer?

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Were you on the full strength beers last night @Pointer?

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Originally Posted by Pointer

I would rather a mate come out of the closet and tell me he is gay than see him come home with a new 25-06. One of those he can't help, he's just bent that way. The other one is just a fuckin poor life decision :P

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Intelligent reasoned opinion, based on what?, might I ask, but I would be asking in vain, sigh......... there is no reasoned logic to that statement, just the intolerant, discriminatory rhetoric, mouthed blindly by those with who take up the chant, never really knowing why..........