Was RSO at our local range today... bloke shows up with this bloody thing... a monster,got to shoot it (target)recoil minimal Attachment 120837Attachment 120842Attachment 120840Attachment 120841
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Was RSO at our local range today... bloke shows up with this bloody thing... a monster,got to shoot it (target)recoil minimal Attachment 120837Attachment 120842Attachment 120840Attachment 120841
I have a few of those
Good gun. Good fun.
Looks like 3 bands? ? Sargents length?
All the ammo were hand reloads .. black powder... have never seen one of these but the ol-boy was full of good info ...the history,...English,elephant guns.... 93 years of age,open sites @135 yds ,he could still hit the target (standard target size)... I was very impressed.....what gentleman!!!
Yeah mate... he mentioned the numbers,so I’m sure you know,but he said it was standard
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Originally Posted by Boxton
Been tempted to turn up to a service rifle shoot with its replacement the martini henry but the timed stages would be a challenge.
There was its precurser the enfield muzzle loader at the big bore shoot. .577 and an oz of lead certainly qualified.
I’m just bloody amazed these things are in kiwi.... get surprised all the time
Loaded some ammo for one the other day, 70 grains FFG, guy had bought a commercial I.Hollis from the TGA Gun Show, Really nice rifle, early model with the suicide block!! Havent heard from him since he picked up the ammo?:O_O:
I had a 3 band land pattern conversion with the mk1 "suicide" block and I'm still here. Undeserved name IMO.
“Suicide block”...?????
My missus loves these old guns, has a reproduction Enfield, and a original 1860 Snider. Still shoot the Snider too, soft loads and not a lot of shots but gees it’s good fun!
No latch on the hinged block to keep it closed hence the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
Later versions had a latch.
I have 3 - a full length rifle (3 bander like in the photo), a shorter "suicide" model which is a muzzle loader conversion, and a Hollis cavalry carbine with saddle ring.
I have shot the conversion a few times and the cavalry carbine maybe 300- 400 times back in the day when I was fully into BP.
I am not sure I would want to take on an irate elephant with a Snider.
Thanks for that mate... appreciate the explanation... in looking up the history it was mentioned that it was used on elephants... I have no idea what this type of firearm was used for , but I’m all up for some ”education”...
No doubt like the 303 they probably did get used on elephants.......
Indigenous personsQuote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
Lol.... u a funny man mate.... but yeah.... history is a teacher
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Originally Posted by Maca49
Nice to see the old girls are still to there. I fondly remember some friendly banter at a black powder shoot between myself and Robbie Tiffen at the bandleaders one sunday morning black powder competition they had on, he had some fangled reproduction of some really unusual almost like a ferguson breach musket, i had my old NZ Marked Artillery Carbine, we paid each other out no end, i finally went in a comp shoot against him and won, I immediately retired that rifle as the undisputed champ, i was even paper patching the projectiles to get some purchase on the rifling, GREAT rifles to shoot, i must get some new brass for the old girl and get her back out to the range.
owww whilst reminiscing and just to prove that some people should never be allowed near them, i had one bloke come up to me, his eyes were big, "wow, look at that calibre, and look how well it shoots, you should really get a scope on that thing!" !!!!
Shoulda slapped some sense into him!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tertle
@Tertle... great story mate
Nope..................There are some types not worth the effort. Like the 4 wheel drive shopping basket driver who pulled into the petrol station behind me when I was refueling my 1938 DX Vauxhall and wandered around oohing and aahing and then, when he saw me adding the upper cylinder lubricant from a my squirty container, said knowingly, "OH, two stroke."Quote:
Originally Posted by dvk-kp
They are great fun to shoot
Lol @ indigenous
Some were shot the other way too
My short one has armed constabulary traced markings
The MH are also good to shoot and surprisingly low recoil.
I shoot .600 round balls through mine,they are the most accurate out to 100 yards.
"Accuracy" being relevant as these were are huge step up in rate of fire from a Rifled Musket,Sniders seldom print the same impact point on different days it seems.I have four different Bullet molds for mine,the original Mini-Ball I have found to be the least accurate,the other molds replicate the BC of a round ball anyhow.I dip my loaded rounds in cheap Mayonnaise prior to firing,keeps the fouling soft.
I like watching Rob on Youtube with his Sniders
https://youtu.be/YCC9a10anTo
https://youtu.be/lNgQi4vEDXM
https://youtu.be/TAEfDVq8cIQ
Always found BP cartridge and muzzle loaders more pleasant to shoot than modern guns, sniders included. Definitely with their quirks, but very different recoil impulse and somehow a lot more relaxing to shoot.
Only thing is cleaning pitted bores.... if the bore has any pitting at all I spend hours trying to clean the fouling out and it still runs black at the end... that bit I don't like :o
Apparently yes it did shoot a lot of the big five. If it’s all you had to hand then you use what you have.....not a great place to learn from your mistakes :O_O: they aren’t called the big five just because their big:D
I was at the Hamilhole zoo last weekend and was thinking on how one of my doubles would handle the Giraffe, tiger, or rhino. It would have to have been in my younger days, when I could run like a gazelle? They are big animal!!
Iv got an artillery carbine, mk 1 (suicide breech)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
First shot went as expected.... sideways through the paper at 25m.
As expected until I tried to extract the case! the chamber had been 'necked up' to approximately 20ga.
Lucky I still have a face.
Anyway, got the case out and now might be looking at making up some 20ga brass with .577 id
From memory one of the family has one
There were some double rifles chambered in .577 as well saw one in a gunshop in Brisbane year ago,
For stopping a Rilfe these are hard to beat,
https://youtu.be/MDYtxxRU_cY
https://youtu.be/SJvesjGissE
I run my Snyder Carbine on 60gr homemade black powder and a .600 round ball in a 28g shotgun case shortened to 2 inch. Cases just fire form and knock them out with the cleaning rod as the rims don`t consistently catch the extractor. Shoots well with almost pristine barrel apart from one pit. Just fun to shoot.
Quick sell the children, the cat, and all the dependent relatives you have.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
I fired one of these a bloke had at the range once. I only remember it vaguely but at some point remember him hammering part of the gun with a wooden mallet between firings. Heaven knows what exactly, I cant precisely remember but I only had the one shot and left it at that
It was either a muzzle loader and he was ramming the charge, or it was a snider and he was tapping the breechblock to get a stuck case out. They have no primary extraction.
Bet you had fun shooting it though.
Saw a few beautiful double-rifles in Africa, couple of years ago. Heaps disappeared from Zim, when Rob the-nob started disarming the white population. Browning hi-powers are rife over there though, nearly put one in my pocket, on one hilarious occasion
Saw a few beautiful double-rifles in Africa, couple of years ago. Heaps disappeared from Zim, when Rob the-nob disarmed the white population. 9mm Browning hi-powers are rife over there though, nearly put one in my pocket, on one hilarious occasion
Might have been the second option then mate, it was definitely a breech loader. Yes it was a nice shooter, not too bad recoil either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
I use a post at the range to bump the breech block rearward.The chamber gets sticky after a couple of shots.
If there is no one around I use the heel of my boot.
Or he was tapping the end of the cartridge to get it into the chamber, I’m an expert at it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
So do I, and I've got a wooden dowel cut at an angle for getting tighties in, the come out much easier after firing funnily enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
Actually that rings a bell, and for the record the case necks looked like they had some splits as well. I was pretty young so figured the fella knew what he was doing,
