7 million new shooters since march.

I went to a gun store for the first time in months just for a bit of fun yesterday. They had lots of hunting rifles but limited amounts of AR type rifles. They also had a Grand Power Stribog and CZ Scorpion I wouldn't mind owning. Plenty of pistols on offer. But very little ammo or reloading supplies. They had an OK stock of hunting ammo but almost nothing else, nothing ordinary like 5.56 or 9mm or 357 Magnum or whatever. Plenty of magazines too. So kinda weird, there were plenty of guns but not a lot of ammo for them. I'd imagine the gun store is in a tough spot because for new gun owners you could buy that Stribog or a Glock but not have any ammo for it, so it's a paperweight or wall hanger.

I think that's why the left's next angle of attack will be ammo or reloading supplies. Oh you wanna have that AR-15, sure, your 2nd Amendment right yeah whatever, but we'll restrict or tax your ammo so much you can't shoot it. The obama administration tried going after ammo with limited success. They did get some types of 5.45x39 banned from import.

In regards to paranoia I saw mentioned, Americans are well aware of world history and the many tens of millions killed by totalitarian regimes in the past 120 years, so we know the score and we know the marxists/totalitarian/great reset crowd very much has plans and designs on moving forward with their schemes for power and control.

For me, well I learned my lesson during the last big run on everything, so not only did I buy a ton of factory ammo but also went from nothing to 3 reloading presses with plenty of supplies on the shelf.

Thanks for proving my point perfectly.

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Thanks for proving my point perfectly.

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It's not your point. It's your perspective.

He has rights.

As a New Zealander, you have none. Only privileges. We can only hope people will be kind to us. It's not a given. There is nothing stopping anyone from stripping you of your freedom and resources.

England could sell you to China in a post Brexit trade deal. Wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it.




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Watched that myself earlier. Staggering numbers he gave. 700 million extra rounds if all the new shooters bought two boxes plus all the extra ammo everyone else will be hoarding you can understand why places like little ole nz are struggling to get any for the shelves.

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Im thinking NZ has much worse to come. Surely our supply has some lag from USA. We place orders and have shipments coming and existing supply in wholesalers. We are already having projectile and some ammo problems. As manufactures struggle to supply domestic and larger markets, NZ will be way down the priority list.

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I lived in Missouri for 3 years and it’s bizarre. Democrat government - buy more guns and ammo. Trade difficulties with China - buy more guns and ammo, Covid - buy more guns and ammo.

It’s an incredibly paranoid society. To illustrate the point, I worked with a very nice bloke over there who owned 16 rifles, pistols and shotguns. He had 5000 rounds per weapon and had been buying his stash for years. He was mostly concerned about the government coming for his guns, but Russian and Chinese invasion, home invasion and zombies were all on his mind. The NRA stokes these insecurities, but it’s in the national psyche.

What it means is that every time almost anything significant happens they buy guns, ammo and components. That means there’s nothing left for the rest of us. That then causes stockpiling when anything does reach us, which makes it worse still.

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No, it's a fragmented society. One that is divided between a confident and patriotic element element that is unwavering from the founding principles of that country, against those, bereft of historical knowledge and enabled by the gains of the system that they seek to overthrow because frankly, Western Society has become too soft.

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No, it's a fragmented society. One that is divided between a confident and patriotic element element that is unwavering from the founding principles of that country, against those, bereft of historical knowledge and enabled by the gains of the system that they seek to overthrow because frankly, Western Society has become too soft.

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Yeah, we need to return to the good old days. We'll hang a hungry man for stealing a sheep and deport a street kid for stealing a loaf of bread. China will take him. at least for his organs.

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Yeah, we need to return to the good old days. We'll hang a hungry man for stealing a sheep and deport a street kid for stealing a loaf of bread. China will take him. at least for his organs.

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We need to return to the days where one could recognise the dangly bits between their legs.

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We need to return to the days where one could recognise the dangly bits between their legs.

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Get with the times dude...the dangly bits have no bearing on anything nowadays except something to hold on to when peeing.....
Apparently 'they' want the population feminised as it's easier to control and less chance of rebellion/uprising....
They have obviously not met my missus...

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Get with the times dude...the dangly bits have no bearing on anything nowadays except something to hold on to when peeing.....
Apparently 'they' want the population feminised as it's easier to control and less chance of rebellion/uprising....
They have obviously not met my missus...

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And they fold in outrage if you say the magic words, "I don't accept you!" An interesting phenomenon.

Just to give some perspective o the American situation, look at these and also check out the price of pistol ammuniton

https://www.midwayusa.com/handgun-am...3D1%26Ntpr%3D1

https://www.midwayusa.com/rimfire-am...on/br?cid=7547

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/cci-...C-AMM-076.html

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Having lived there....I would agree that many Americans are indeed paranoid.I would also agree that New Zealanders basicallly have no rights other than what the govt of the day says we have.Both are true.

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To be fair they are right to be paranoid, just look at what NZ, Canada, Australia and the UK have done, the first sniff of an opportunity to remove guns from their populations they will.
The saying "Give and inch and they'll take a mile" is completely true, if the American gun owners had faith that their Government wasn't going to try shaft them at every opportunity they would likely stop the paranoia.

Unfortunately they are all looking at what happened here and in Canada and can see that despite the system failing and causing the death of countless people, rather than accept responsibility the Police and Politicians will just scape goat the firearms community.
They know full well the Democratic party will do exactly the same.

Biden has already said that he is going to take all the 'assault rifles' .

Good luck with that....

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Biden has already said that he is going to take all the 'assault rifles' .

Good luck with that....

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The fact that an assault rifle's already controlled under the National Firearms Act 1934 not withstanding. But hey, people have a poor understanding of history and even the terminology is being re-defined by those who don't care.

Yes well he's not the sharpest tool in the shed is he ... And he was talking about ar's , ak's etc...

And when you think about 7 million new firearms in circulation just recently and add those to all the pre- existing numbers then really I think that horse has already bolted.....if the population turned round and told him where to put his buy back there would be f-all the police could do about it now , waaaay to outgunned.

New Zealand is a small and a long way from any major problems since colonisation, we have relatively low crime. We simply haven't/don't needed to defend ourselves so it's not part of our national psyche.

The Germans laid a few mines in WW1 the Japanese flew over in WW2 for a look.

We simply don't understand.