Thread: Acceptable group size at long range ?

You guys crack me up, what happened to all the sharp shooters out there with their 100 yard targets with 25 rounds through them?

Think 0.25 MOA at 400+ is not realistic? You would have been better off using your 25 rounds for some load development at 500 yards rather than waste them at 100 yards. Seating depth and .5 powder +- is a good one that shows up well at 500.

Forum member Mossies new Sendero is a good example of this, 3 shots into a 4" red dot at 500yards. It shot 1.25" And the wind was not the best for shooting. Next day he shot a deer at 550 I think it was. Perfect elevation.

Does he need to waste 25 rounds to claim this accuracy? No Way! It's 500 yards, they are going to warm up and climb up the target!

I think the better way would be to go to the range and spend short trips shooting x2 or x3 shots at the same target, at the same range but in different conditions. After a few trips you will soon find out what you and your rifle can do.

As Gimp said 1st shots are the important thing. But you also want to make sure every time you do your 1st few shots they are nice and close together

KiwiGreg, im sure many of your rifles are more than capable of 0.25 at range, after all it was your gun and your load that Mossie was using to do the job!

Originally Posted by Tui4Me

You guys crack me up, what happened to all the sharp shooters out there with their 100 yard targets with 25 rounds through them?

Think 0.25 MOA at 400+ is not realistic? You would have been better off using your 25 rounds for some load development at 500 yards rather than waste them at 100 yards. Seating depth and .5 powder +- is a good one that shows up well at 500.

Forum member Mossies new Sendero is a good example of this, 3 shots into a 4" red dot at 500yards. It shot 1.25" And the wind was not the best for shooting. Next day he shot a deer at 550 I think it was. Perfect elevation.

Does he need to waste 25 rounds to claim this accuracy? No Way! It's 500 yards, they are going to warm up and climb up the target!

I think the better way would be to go to the range and spend short trips shooting x2 or x3 shots at the same target, at the same range but in different conditions. After a few trips you will soon find out what you and your rifle can do.

As Gimp said 1st shots are the important thing. But you also want to make sure every time you do your 1st few shots they are nice and close together

KiwiGreg, im sure many of your rifles are more than capable of 0.25 at range, after all it was your gun and your load that Mossie was using to do the job!

Hand on heart dose your Rem 7mm mag average with more than one group .25MOA or is it more like .60 MOA

Your a hard man Don, we will see at the club shoot won't we?

The accuracy of that barrel is the only thing stopping me screwing on a true flight at the moment, if it shot .60 it would be on there now!

Quoting your best groups isn't what this threat is about its about hunting rifle accuracy, I'm willing to bet we wont be seeing any 1 inch groups at 400 yards at a club shoot

Originally Posted by Terminator

Quoting your best groups isn't what this threat is about its about hunting rifle accuracy, I'm willing to bet we wont be seeing any 1 inch groups at 400 yards at a club shoot

The thread is about what shooters think is an acceptable average 3 shot group size, at long range, in good conditions, with normalish LR rigs.

I am saying that with a bit of longer range load development, 1/4 MOA should and will be possible for many of the blokes here. Especially with their flash 'Normalish' LR rigs i see posted and commented about.

My 7mm is not the only Sendero ive seen capable of 1/4 at long range, I have asked a lot of questions to a lot of people regarding this, especialy with a skim bed and decent load development they can shoot bloody well. You can spend thousands on a custom rifle and still not get the accuracy of a Sendero if you get a good one.

As you are personaly bringing my rifle into the equation, I am not quoting 1 off best groups here as you say, im quoting frequent groups shot in small strings over a period of visits to the range.

A Sendero is a rifle that many would class as basic long range rig, so why with a bit of effort could 1/4 MOA not be expected at long range with a more custom rifle?