Thread: Anyone a member of SSANZ or The NZ NSA?

I'm in the process of joining both of these outfits. After all the shit going down in America I want to do my bit to make sure we don't end up like Aussie or worse.

NSA Member

I will be re joining NSA just gotta pay up. SSANZ is good for fuck all, their heart is in the right place but they have no clout. Have faded into obscurity.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I will be re joining NSA just gotta pay up. SSANZ is good for fuck all, their heart is in the right place but they have no clout. Have faded into obscurity.

But you do get the guns and hunting subscription with it for $5 more than it normally costs... S I'm dong that too.
Same boat as you, just gotta make the payment to the NSA. Their forum is basically empty so was wondering if they actually had anything going on.

Originally Posted by RimfireNZ

...just gotta make the payment to the NSA. Their forum is basically empty so was wondering if they actually had anything going on.

Curious, but why would you choose to join an organisation that their own members don't participate in their own forum ?

I think Gimp summed up the NSA succinctly

SSANZ - Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand. Website is here.

The Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand was established in 1989 as the Shooter's Rights Association. Our aims and objectives are:

To promote safety and firearms in New Zealand.

To help promote the growth of all firearms clubs in New Zealand.

To assist and guide new firearms licence applications and existing licence holders with the new changes.

To attend firearms seminars and meetings on behalf of the members to express their views and concerns.

To help obtain the assistance of local Councils and Local Bodies for a public firearms range in your area.

To liaise with the elected M.P.s of your area for their help and co-operation in firearms related matters and to promote M.P.'s or candidate who are favourable to firearms.

To protect and enhance existing firearms laws and regulations for the benefit of lawful firearms users and their families.

To help and assist New Zealand Police for promotion and understanding of good firearms laws.

To campaign for tougher penalties for the unlawful misuse of firearms or weapons used in criminal acts of violence or robbery and to help promote counselling or compensation for victims of those crimes.

To foster a change through education in the attitudes of those who are not aware of the benefit of all firearms related sports and activities.

NSA - National Shooters Association - website is here.

The National Shooters Association (NSA) was formed, in 2009, by a group of people concerned at unlawful administration of the Arms Act 1986 by anti-gun extremists from police national headquarters. Richard Lincoln, the founding President of the NSA, initiated a legal challenge and a nation wide appeal for participation from all civilian gun owners to support the judicial review (the "Save Our Butts" campaign) opposing the illegal police reclassification of sporting rifles as military style firearms.

The group that formed as a result of the judicial review went on to become the National Shooters Association. Within 48 hours of its launch the NSA had over 100 members signed up and today many more have joined the NSA ranks. The NSA now stands firmly for the rights of all civilian gun owners; covering all genres of sport shooting.

The primary aim of NSA is to ensure that civilian gun owners receive the full protection of the law against police anti-gun extremist initiatives. NSA is involved in many projects that benefit civilian gun owners and lobbies the legislature for rational and sensible arms control law.

The NSA make themselves look like crazy extremist assholes by having shit like

For those wishing to prepare for the forthcoming police gun-grab. A product with the same preservative qualities as cosmoline is available here: PVC drainpipe can be obtained from Bunnings or any good plumbing outlet.

on their website. Yeah, "subtly" encouraging people to bury illegal guns. Good job retards, doesn't make the rest of us look like unbalanced idiots at all.


At least they got rid of all the US NRA inspired crap about having guns to overthrow the government, etc.

I'd like like my kids to grow up and have the option of owning firearms including semi autos. I'm joining the NSA

Originally Posted by gimp

The NSA make themselves look like crazy extremist assholes by having shit like

on their website. Yeah, "subtly" encouraging people to bury illegal guns. Good job retards, doesn't make the rest of us look like unbalanced idiots at all.


At least they got rid of all the US NRA inspired crap about having guns to overthrow the government, etc.

Thanks for your comments GIMP. NSA has not encouraged anyone to bury an illegal gun. It is not clear what you are refering to when you say "illegal gun." I have never heard of a gun being charged, convicted or serving a sentence.

The law in New Zealand makes it illegal sometimes for a person to be in possesion of a gun. The law may change soon and thereby create more circumstances which criminalise a civilian gun owner for possession of gun that is their property. Under these circumstances the person is obliged to dispossess themself of their gun. They may wish to store their gun for some future time when the law is relaxed and a new government brings about gun control laws that are rational and decriminalise the possession of such a firearm. The current owner may therefore wish to dispossess himself or herself of their gun by burying in a safe place for the day that the repeal of the offensive law occurs. For that purpose we advise gun owners in that position to use cosmoline and bury their gun in order to obey the law and dispossess themself of it, until the law is repealed. Incidently, this is exactly what has occurred in Australia and now, as the draconian restrictions over there are relaxed, more and more stored guns are able to be reclaimed by displaced owners.

This is one of the inherent problems with the changeability and uncertainty of law. For example, if homosexuality was criminalised in New Zealand, I think you would be niave to expect that all homosexuals would suddenly become hetrosexual. At best they could be expected not to engage in homosexual practices until they succeed in having the law repealed. The situation with unstable gun control law is really no different.

NSA members are a diverse range of people. Private professionals, lawyers and even a few police officers. I don't know any of our members who I would say is a crazy extremist asshole or a retard.

We have never encouraged or endorsed anyone to take up arms against the government. You may be confusing the NSA with the group responsible for the training camps in the Urewera; that was nothing to do with NSA or any of its members.

Kind regards
Richard Lincoln
National Shooters Association

Thanks for your comments GIMP. NSA has not encouraged anyone to bury an illegal gun. It is not clear what you are refering to when you say "illegal gun." I have never heard of a gun being charged, convicted or serving a sentence.

The law in New Zealand makes it illegal sometimes for a person to be in possesion of a gun. The law may change soon and thereby create more circumstances which criminalise a civilian gun owner for possession of gun that is their property. Under these circumstances the person is obliged to dispossess themself of their gun. They may wish to store their gun for some future time when the law is relaxed and a new government brings about gun control laws that are rational and decriminalise the possession of such a firearm. The current owner may therefore wish to dispossess himself or herself of their gun by burying in a safe place for the day that the repeal of the offensive law occurs. For that purpose we advise gun owners in that position to use cosmoline and bury their gun in order to obey the law and dispossess themself of it, until the law is repealed. Incidently, this is exactly what has occurred in Australia and now, as the draconian restrictions over there are relaxed, more and more stored guns are able to be reclaimed by displaced owners.

This is one of the inherent problems with the changeability and uncertainty of law. For example, if homosexuality was criminalised in New Zealand, I think you would be niave to expect that all homosexuals would suddenly become hetrosexual. At best they could be expected not to engage in homosexual practices until they succeed in having the law repealed. The situation with unstable gun control law is really no different.

NSA members are a diverse range of people. Private professionals, lawyers and even a few police officers. I don't know any of our members who I would say is a crazy extremist asshole or a retard.

We have never encouraged or endorsed anyone to take up arms against the government. You may be confusing the NSA with the group responsible for the training camps in the Urewera; that was nothing to do with NSA or any of its members.

Kind regards
Richard Lincoln
National Shooters Association

Don't be so stupid, encouraging people to bury a prohibited weapon is an offence, enough of an offence to get your FAL revoked.

Burying a weapon in the ground doesn't "dispossess" it from you. I suggest you look up the definition of possession before making such stupid statements. Look up the case law Sullivan v Earl of Caithness (1976) while you are at it.

It must be a sheltered wee corner of the world that I live in a I have been sublimely ignorant of both of these organisations. Still am as the letters mean nothing to me.

Im in the same boat as rushy

Me too

Well it was the NSA who (for better or worse) took NZ Poloce to court when they cheanged their "interpretation" of what was and wasn't a pistol grip as regards MSSAs. Was when they suddenly decided that SL8s were overnight E Cat. They took police to court and the judges ruled in favour of NSA. Told police they were there to interpret the law and a "Military Pattern Pistol Grip (as laid down in the regs was exactly that a Pistol Grip with a NATO or Mil Part number. Anything else was not the same, which is why you now have all these A Cat ARs on the market. This is also the reason for the police wanting changes to the arms act to become the same as their "interpretation"

So far it would apprear that the NSA are the teeth of the bear and Colfo (who always just advise gun owners to comply) have become something else

I fear will all be in vain those as all the while NZ firearms owner groups will sell each other down the river police/politicians laugh.

Mikee FYI but over at the 'other' forum when the NSA was starting up, they alienated a lot of shooters by proclaiming "you're either with us or against us" in regards to the thumbhole case and NSA membership. Let's not also forget they started with the blog "From My Cold Dead Hands" and were suprised at the negativity it created from other shooters. And encouraging FAL owners to use a pvc pipe and bury your firearm to prevent any (non-existant) confiscation goes beyond reckless, and is just plain moronic.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Mikee FYI but over at the 'other' forum when the NSA was starting up, they alienated a lot of shooters by proclaiming "you're either with us or against us" in regards to the thumbhole case and NSA membership. Let's not also forget they started with the blog "From My Cold Dead Hands" and were suprised at the negativity it created from other shooters. And encouraging FAL owners to use a pvc pipe and bury your firearm to prevent any (non-existant) confiscation goes beyond reckless, and is just plain moronic.

While I would totally agree Kscott, and every organisation has their muppets. They are also needed as they are the only ones who have had the balls to challenge the Police re the way they 'interpret" things I joined even though I don't agree with all their statements.

I especially disagree with the ' use a pvc pipe and bury your firearm to prevent any (non-existant) confiscation" statement even though I think this actually happened in the past. Hopefully they have learned from these PR mistakes.
I will be re-evaluating year by year regarding renewals.

I have a, b and e endorsements and am making the most of my sports while i can, it won't last . I think firearms groups in general will be tripping over each other to sell out each other out as the whole "well we don't mind if you ban these types cause we don't own/use em, what do you need them for anyway" deal takes hold.

So for better or worse they are here and they have had an impact. I paid COLFO for years as part om my Pistol NZ fees and what have they done for us. 3/8ths of bugger all as far as i can tell

The sooner we LFO's can realise we all need to stick together fr the sake of all of our hobby the better