Anyone used a supressed/moderated shotgun?

Hi all,
Basically the title :), just wondering if anyone's used a supressed/moderated shotgun, more specifically a 12g but any information is welcome,

stumbled across a huspower branded 12g detachable moderator being sold over in the UK and was wondering if anyone has experience with supressed shotguns and whether they're worth it, at £180 its a heck of a lot cheaper than the A12 being sold here in NZ and the hushpower says it screws into the threaded choke,

doesn't seem to be much info about so thought I'd ask

@Fssprecision

Did you find it reduced the noise much?, I’ve only shot a 12g and my 22 so I’ve not got too much to go off there

To really reduce the noise you need subsonic ammo, which isn't easily available here.

I have a suppressed 12 gauge. It certainly brings the sound down. Similar to a suppressed centerfire rifle.
Subsonics aren't impossible to get but to be honest the suppressor mustn't be able to quite catch all of the gas as there is still a crack.
I definitely rate the suppressor and sooner not fire the gun without it. Does add a foot onto the overall length though.
Can't fire steel but can fire buckshot and solids which the A12s can't.
I do believe guncity sell the hushpower .410 suppressors for $600 or so.

Using target products cowboy action saloon loads it sounds like a "loose fart" in a suppressed 12 gauge I have handled. The std ammo has a Sonic boom in the same gun but us still quieter due to the reduction in muzzle blast

Thanks for all the replies so far, sounds like it might be worth the time to atleast experiment with a suppressed shotgun,

Not quite sure on the importing of a suppressor, I’ve emailed the local firearms office regarding that,

The 410 suppressor from the uk is only $250 odd nzd and I can’t imagine shipping would be more than $50 so hopefully I can import the 12g one without much hassle as it would be close to half the cost of buying within nz

Hi,
I make a fully suppressed 410, as has been mentioned on here, in order to achieve a reasonable level of suppression the ammo must be running at sub-sonic speeds.

The design that I have developed has extensive porting of the barrel, so you just use STANDARD off the shelf ammo (2 1/2 or 3"), it internally drops the speed to below the speed of sound and other internal features suppress the sound further. The report is somewhat akin to what you hear from a well suppressed 22 running on subsonic ammo.

I did develop the same with a 12G and whilst it worked well was just not cost effective to produce.

We have a supply issue with the Optimas and Eternals that I was using so are currently in the process of developing a new model based on the Rossi Montenegro which should sorted early in the New year.

Speak to Shooters supplies In christchurch.

They make suppressors for 12ga with interchangeable chokes on the suppressor.

I am tempted to put one on my 1301 comp to make it extra evil looking.

I also know Deltamike bring in 12 ga suppressors made by A tech from memory.

Scary,evil and effective.

What's not to like to rustle the Jimmy's up the fudds

I have a suppressed 20g that Nelson Collie made for me. Single shot Rossi. It shoots well but not as quiet as I had hoped. That said I have not done much with load development to get sub sonic but still less noise than un suppressed. Red dot sight on it as you can't look along the barrel with fat suppressor on. Short barrel and full choke for rabbits. Have knocked them over to 40mtr with lead 4 shot. I like using it.walk around in dark with thermal and when close enough flick on torch and bang.

A Friend dose pest destruction work for doc all firearms used on doc land need to be suppressed
he uses an A-Tech suppressor on his shotgun and is using sub sonic ammo from target products

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Originally Posted by NAKED_GOOSE

Thanks for all the replies so far, sounds like it might be worth the time to atleast experiment with a suppressed shotgun,

Not quite sure on the importing of a suppressor, I’ve emailed the local firearms office regarding that,

The 410 suppressor from the uk is only $250 odd nzd and I can’t imagine shipping would be more than $50 so hopefully I can import the 12g one without much hassle as it would be close to half the cost of buying within nz

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Be interested to hear how you get on ordering one from the UK

it'll be interesting to see what happens,
it may get put in the too hard basket lol,
was just something I thought could be interesting as picking up a cheap second hand shotgun with interchangeable chokes and then the suppressor from the UK would of worked out somewhere around $650-$750 which is cheaper/ the same price as the A Tec suppressor itself

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Originally Posted by NAKED_GOOSE

it'll be interesting to see what happens,
it may get put in the too hard basket lol,
was just something I thought could be interesting as picking up a cheap second hand shotgun with interchangeable chokes and then the suppressor from the UK would of worked out somewhere around $650-$750 which is cheaper/ the same price as the A Tec suppressor itself

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Yeah I am keen also, my 410 single is a great toy. A suppressor would make it a great pest control tool.

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Originally Posted by Fssprecision

Hi,
I make a fully suppressed 410, as has been mentioned on here, in order to achieve a reasonable level of suppression the ammo must be running at sub-sonic speeds.

The design that I have developed has extensive porting of the barrel, so you just use STANDARD off the shelf ammo (2 1/2 or 3"), it internally drops the speed to below the speed of sound and other internal features suppress the sound further. The report is somewhat akin to what you hear from a well suppressed 22 running on subsonic ammo.

I did develop the same with a 12G and whilst it worked well was just not cost effective to produce.

We have a supply issue with the Optimas and Eternals that I was using so are currently in the process of developing a new model based on the Rossi Montenegro which should sorted early in the New year.

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Can I send you my rossi 410 to be suppressed ?
Cheers Terry

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Originally Posted by Fssprecision

Hi,
I make a fully suppressed 410, as has been mentioned on here, in order to achieve a reasonable level of suppression the ammo must be running at sub-sonic speeds.

The design that I have developed has extensive porting of the barrel, so you just use STANDARD off the shelf ammo (2 1/2 or 3"), it internally drops the speed to below the speed of sound and other internal features suppress the sound further. The report is somewhat akin to what you hear from a well suppressed 22 running on subsonic ammo.

I did develop the same with a 12G and whilst it worked well was just not cost effective to produce.

We have a supply issue with the Optimas and Eternals that I was using so are currently in the process of developing a new model based on the Rossi Montenegro which should sorted early in the New year.

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That's really interesting, I would have thought a 12g would have been a lot more cost effective overall considering the relative differences in availability and price for .410 and 12g guns and ammo...

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Originally Posted by No.3

That's really interesting, I would have thought a 12g would have been a lot more cost effective overall considering the relative differences in availability and price for .410 and 12g guns and ammo...

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for him not for the end user
Ie cost of it would be higher

I had one of the FSS 410s shown to me by a friend and yea they are tons quieter than my subsoinic 77/44 which is very similar in bore size

it was like a long 22lr sub sound like wooosh

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Originally Posted by Bill999

for him not for the end user
Ie cost of it would be higher

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Yeah I get that, but even if the suppressed 12g is more expensive to buy overall it would work out cheaper very quickly. Some places don't appear to even stock .410 ammo of any sort now.

I believe there is SMALL market for a long over barrel suppressor that is threaded onto existing barrel...the problem is.....it has to be timed and offset of sight picture will be all to hell...and would require the origonal barrel to be ported like a swiss cheese....so it would only be usable with suppressor fitted,expence would be not a lot less than buying one already made.

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Originally Posted by Blisters

Can I send you my rossi 410 to be suppressed ?
Cheers Terry

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In theory yes, but I am still in the development stage with the Rossi and making production tooling etc. If the Rossi you have is not a current Montenegro (preferably with the 22" barrel) it is likely cheaper for me to supply a completely new gun than try to rework an old one.

If you send me your details, I can put you on the list to contact when we get top that stage fssprecision@gmail.com

Thanks

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Originally Posted by No.3

That's really interesting, I would have thought a 12g would have been a lot more cost effective overall considering the relative differences in availability and price for .410 and 12g guns and ammo...

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You find that as the bore size and gas volume increases the suppressor must increase accordingly, as I say I got one to work with standard 3" shells and it was QUIET but the gun weighed in at over 4KG and was really big. There really is a significant amount of work to do to really suppress a shotgun, just an end can does not achieve the level of suppression that I am happy with.

As I mention and is confirmed buy one of the guys on here, I aim to get similar suppression that you find with a suppressed 22 on subs BUT using standard off the shelf high velocity ammo.

Cheers

Give greg call at maniatis gunsmiths he has successfully made 12ga and .410 I have a .410 that I have used for pest control over the years. Great for lifestyle blocks.

Could be wrong but I dont think you can use for Game hunting.