Thread: Blocking up a semi-auto

Hey all,

I’m assuming that if someone had a (previously) a-cat M1 Carbine that they wanted to keep as part of their collection and not send to the crusher, that they could permanently disable/block it up and she’s all good to keep as a display piece?

Originally Posted by mcdeee

Hey all,

I’m assuming that if someone had a (previously) a-cat M1 Carbine that they wanted to keep as part of their collection and not send to the crusher, that they could permanently disable/block it up and she’s all good to keep as a display piece?

The police have said that all MSSA cannot be modified to be legal.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

The police have said that all MSSA cannot be modified to be legal.

But permanently disabling it turns it into a paperweight...? No licence needed...?

Wouldnt that require moadifying to do so

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

The police have said that all MSSA cannot be modified to be legal.

Surely that would require some legislation to back up, despite what they are saying.

Try Gundoc he will know.

Originally Posted by sykoticnz

Surely that would require some legislation to back up, despite what they are saying.

We'll have to see what they say

Originally Posted by sykoticnz

Surely that would require some legislation to back up, despite what they are saying.

Its on the parliament website I read today, and also referred to on the Police one. You can't modify firearms to fit new requirements so that's out, no negotiation, end of story. As for legislation, its coming... Clearly all semis are gone except shotguns that don't have removable mags and no more than 5 in the tube and .22's (at this stage).

They've also taken aim at "sniper" rifles. I'm picking your .338's and above will be gone too, possibly smaller calibers that sit around that ballpark too perhaps? All speculation till the govt. puts it to paper though so just a waiting game for us all.

"You can't modify firearms to fit new requirements” ... but permanently plugging it isn’t meeting the requirements of another category, it’s making it ’not a firearm’.

Originally Posted by Dublin

Its on the parliament website I read today, and also referred to on the Police one. You can't modify firearms to fit new requirements so that's out, no negotiation, end of story. As for legislation, its coming... Clearly all semis are gone except shotguns that don't have removable mags and no more than 5 in the tube and .22's (at this stage).

They've also taken aim at "sniper" rifles. I'm picking your .338's and above will be gone too, possibly smaller calibers that sit around that ballpark too perhaps? All speculation till the govt. puts it to paper though so just a waiting game for us all.

Got a link to where you saw that on the parliament website?

Police website isn't law, and since they have got the wrong information on their main FAQ page, I'm not not convinced they have a legal backing to stop you disabling a firearm.

Originally Posted by mcdeee

Hey all,

I’m assuming that if someone had a (previously) a-cat M1 Carbine that they wanted to keep as part of their collection and not send to the crusher, that they could permanently disable/block it up and she’s all good to keep as a display piece?

NZ Police do not recognize deactivated firearms and regard them as live. This is at odds with the Arms Act, and I have been deactivating and certifying guns as 'non-firearms' for many years. I have had a couple of visits and threats of legal action from the Police but I have continued to do it, and I am still here! When I certify a 'non-firearm' rest assured that it is completely incapable of being rebuilt, despite looking totally original externally. In the end though, I have my doubts that the final lump of wood and metal has any value beyond nostalgic memory!

You have the money to buy guns, @mcdee, you don't have an M1 carbine primarily to shoot it as it is not that accurate, you can't even hunt with it on DOC land. It seems like you should just deactivate it so that you can keep it. I cringe at the thought of deactivating it, but it sounds better than "surrender" and "crusher". Imagine you recognising it at the bottom of the pile in the background of a photo of Taxcinda and Cahill shaking hands. Sorry about this cruel talk.

A mate of mine did this with a 303 so that he could display it legally. Arms officer never seemed to mind but who knows these days.

Originally Posted by Cordite

You have the money to buy guns, @mcdee, you don't have an M1 carbine primarily to shoot it as it is not that accurate, you can't even hunt with it on DOC land. It seems like you should just deactivate it so that you can keep it. I cringe at the thought of deactivating it, but it sounds better than "surrender" and "crusher". Imagine you recognising it at the bottom of the pile in the background of a photo of Taxcinda and Cahill shaking hands. Sorry about this cruel talk.

How come you can't hunt with it on doc land? Apart from being an MSSA.

Originally Posted by Dublin

Its on the parliament website I read today, and also referred to on the Police one. You can't modify firearms to fit new requirements so that's out, no negotiation, end of story. As for legislation, its coming... Clearly all semis are gone except shotguns that don't have removable mags and no more than 5 in the tube and .22's (at this stage).

They've also taken aim at "sniper" rifles. I'm picking your .338's and above will be gone too, possibly smaller calibers that sit around that ballpark too perhaps? All speculation till the govt. puts it to paper though so just a waiting game for us all.

It maybe on the website, but unless it has been passed into law, then it is not law. Provision of OIC does not give that ability either.