That is very true, I have arms dealer friends and I don't think much of there websites either.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalkeye
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That is very true, I have arms dealer friends and I don't think much of there websites either.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalkeye
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It was a great gun shop in the late 80s, bought a Winchester 44/40 off him and carried it into the Burma Lodge, near Tawa without anyone panicking or calling the cops, them were the days when we trusted all and could make a quick decision on mass murderers. His shop had a great range of pistols and BP rifles and gear, much like the range Neil Hayes carries. Always called in after Managers meeting at Placemaker Kaiwhawara and on my way back to Masterton. I still have a copy of his catalogue from those days!:cool:
Quite sad, seems like Johns turned into a grumpy old man & is trying to drum up more business by curtailing private sales of fire arms.
Problem with getting old, one to many of those lovely arsehole customers:)Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey
Looking on the web site to find the very firearms the submission was against... :thumbsup:
dont forget massive when you crow about todays technology and you beloved data your old man didnt need all this shit to sire you and your siblings ,and frankly if it werent for old values and commonsense you wouldnt be where you are today.
Me Im one of those oldies and fucking proud of it.computers are like bossess politicians &civilservants to me -ya got punch a lotta shit in to get just as much (often)garbled shit out.as for todays kids -modern education is piss poor fullstop-NCEA is a bloody crock legacy of the lawyer of mangeres inept socialist engineering -much admired and continued by herr Cluck Whose dental work in a mate of mines words "looks like a test keyboard at the steinway factory
Where did this rant come from? Did someone delete a post that your replying to?Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
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I wonder what sort of fee he'd be charging for all of the extra work he would have to do as a licenced firearms dealer.
I'm sure he would make it worth his whileQuote:
Originally Posted by Sylvester
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https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
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Jeez Gruntzer - calling for someone's business to be destroyed simply because you don't like their ideas.... Class act :-(
How about any of the following alternatives :
Take the time to write your own submission...
Engage in a constructive debate...
Write an email to the guy or phone him and have an actual conversation...
I'm kinda surprised you have not called for a public lynching of O'Connor
Need to take a couple of deep breaths mate... Not a good look for someone who is supposed to be"fit and proper"
Um.......................... submissioned have closed. Not many people bothered
and we should not be surprised at the submissions. NZ firearms users have a long history of not being able to get their shit together with a single voice but instead spend that time feeding each other to the wolves.
THESE are the GOOD OLD DAYS so make the most of them
Hahaha ebf you could run with Donald!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Yeah but @mikee expecting all NZ firearms users to read from the same hymn book is not exactly reasonable...
Gun shop owners run businesses and are looking out for their lively hood.
Some of us are recreational or sport users
Others feel more strongly about gun rights
Half the shit that gets posted here in the name of gun owners quite frankly makes me feel extremely uncomfortable :-)
go back and read massives last post OK.
Anyhow who died and made you god for that matter.
FYI-Ive never had a post deleted here ,thats what i find refreshing.,unlike mr a hammonds website,which if youre of a more delicate nature you may prefer. they also love censorship and toadying over there.
finally ive known and shot with massive over a few years now ,so the big fella can handle it!
i sincerely hope this puts yours and any others anxieties to rest. goodday to you all.
I used to like going into frontier gunshop in the late 80s , when I owned an slr ... whole heap of ex mil 7.62 to be had for bugger all .... and I don't remember john being so grumpy , fast forward to this and last year , when I went in there , he was always surely and annoyed , the other guy that works there is a gem and really helpful , ... its not a bad shop , but john can be his own worst enemy . he used to have a lot of lee stuff and I use lee exclusively .. some of his submission is ok and some seems a little off the wall ... hi son is of similer ilk , not a bad guy some days , but other days ........ we all cant be as perfect as me I know :)
FAPP?Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy
..this thread created some lively debate :P
@ebf its not his ideas that I am attacking, its the fact he sells guns which are used for a practice he obviously thinks is irresponsible... if he only sells bolt action firearms on his web site, then my comments are a bit over the top.
Besides that comment, his submission was relatively middle road.
And yes, I should have put in a submission, as it is easy to pick holes in others input now that it is published.
If there is a second round of submissions from the outcome of the first I definitely will be doing just that...
Oh I've tried to contact them, to spend money even, no reply. He's doing a good enough job destroying his business himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I copied this from a facebook post (without permission) :)
But sums up Greg O'conners submission very well.
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Of course the new way is better or we wouldn't have replaced the old ways with the new ways!Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Sorry tube but you need better data from the Great Google. My A Hammond makes the good (but not brightly colored) duck and goose calls. Mr Alan Simmons runs the hunt n fish forum with the much used delete button.Quote:
Originally Posted by kotuku
The more evolved humans have given up trying to remember stuff like this and just offload the info to the Great Google up in the intercloud so we can retrieve it when necessary. I am not joking, to confirm I had Alan's last name right I googled for it.
My final comment on all this is how can a bloke who has built a business out of selling ex military service rifles (the technical term is Main Battle Rifle but I like to call them Baby Killers cos it's more emotional) have an opinion on how nobody should be allowed to buy commercial copies of the current military service rifle? A 303 may seem safe and cuddly cos grandad had one but it's a high powered baby killer with a high capacity magazine (10 shot) that can kill multiple babies at 1000m even if they are hiding behind a tree. The sooner the baby killer rifles are confiscated and replaced with harmless small caliber modern sporting rifles using restricted capacity magazines the better.
Time for a TUI! Yeah Right!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MassiveAttack
Well reading that lot of drivel from Greg was not in the least bit informative.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
I read the submission he made several times and cannot see what the fuss is about. sure he wrote
"Membership of clubs and associations that promoted ‘traditional’ deliberate target shooting has been replaced by growth in organisations that promote competitions in which precision shooting is enhanced with movement, engaging multiple targets, and employing high rates of fire. This is not a reflection on committed and responsible users."
Which seems to be the target of a lot of the comments. But please read it carefully. All it states is that the nature of target shooting has changed from the "traditional" (lie down and poke a hole in a target) to the "precision shooting is enhanced with movement, engaging multiple targets, and employing high rates of fire"." which does describe the evolution of target shooting as it has moved into things like three gun etc. So no deception or misinformation there. Pretty simple statement of the situation.
The whole issue seems to be around the "This is not a reflection on committed and responsible users" comment. This, unfortunately can be taken two ways. The way everyone here seems to be reacting to is that this rapid fire dynamic movement is not a reflection of responsible users but the way I read it, and which I suspect it was supposed to be read is that the dynamic sea change in the activities is not a negative reflection on users but a natural progression that responsible users take. Thus the change itself is not a reflection on committed and responsible users.
I think that at the end of the day he has put his submission forwards and made his opinion known. If you disagree with his opinion then the place to do that would have been by making your own submission. If you did not bother then that s like complaining about the political party in power when you didn't bother to vote. If you don't say something when you have the chance, dont expect to be listened to afterwards......
I do not agree with a lot of his submission, but find it ironic that people are so upset when they did not bother to make a submission themselves.....
I read Joe Green's submission instead, much more sensible and worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I got plenty out of that Rushy. Basically he said his lads were too busy writing death reports at the bottom of the cliff. As a result of this he would like to remove everyone's legs to stop anyone getting to the top of the cliff. Unfortunately he completely missed the opportunity to just send a couple of his lads up the hill to turn the few walking to the cliff away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
Basically his lads need to get back to basic policing and stop the rot at a much earlier stage. This needs the backing of the Police hierarchy, courts, parliament and the rest of the good people of this country.
he has given deposits back as far as I know , people have waited several years for gear that other importers seem to not have trouble bringing in before pulling the pin and going somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
A bit mischievous, the word used is offender.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
We're becoming as bad as the Yanks, misquoting to bolster an argument.
The Rural Women in NZ is asupportive submission http://www.parliament.nz/resource/en...0df0bb3caa6a4a
Concise and logical submission. Expand the NZP budget and enforce the existing laws. Need to work on their editing though, lol - "4000 firearms ceased by Customs".Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
I read it the same as you mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Only thing I found annoying about the submission was registration of all firearms. Pointless imo.
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If they ended up being destroyed it wouldn't be completely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Just read three mentioned above. All well thought out and articulate. To me the common thread is police are under resourced to handle this even now.
Like the submissions or not it was their right to make them. They got off their arses and did something.
You have to engage in a process like this imo to have the right to comment on the actions of someone who does.
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing"
I made a submission probably not as articulate as these, but I suspect far too many "good men " did not.
How about in paragraph 10?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunzter
O'Conner is a union official. He has no more say over police operations than the Maritime Union do over the bosses at Ports of Auckland or Tauranga.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetman
I've made some comments on that article, awaiting moderation (censorship to match the desired narrative?).Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
