Thread: Car crash radio interview with Chris Cahill

https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/play...khPuVDyhT1dnUE

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6 mins of my life I'm never getting back

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first he rambles on about criminals having guns then he decides that we need more regulation for lawful owners. the guy is a muppet. of course penalising us will stop illegal handguns coming in with 100kg of P.

03:47 - "...it's all good rhetoric but it isn't evidence, is it?"

03:51 - "Well it is evidence..."

I heard the interview this morning, before I knew who he was I thought what an idiot.

Originally Posted by berg243

I don't think the muppet really understands the actual problem and cant back up his story with facts.

Anyone with his "lefty, socialist leaning" will never worry about facts getting in the way of a good story.

Fantastic!

05:00 we have the union tongue firmly up their master's arse, then 06:20 we have his imaginary friends again. Fuck off Chris, you're a lying sack of shit.

I love the 4.29 mark can you give me actual numbers? Chris blah blah blah no answer in that
Lobbied by a small section of the gun community?

My question didn’t we sign a petition on this? If so how many signatures?

What a knob. Thought Guyon Espiner did a good job.

Another thing I've heard him mention consistently in his radio interviews and it's very important:

05:55 - "... we need to have a better discussion around how many guns are imported every year, the sort of guns and whether they're all needed".

Basically what he is advocating for has not been realised. "Better discussion" is double speak for "how can we control". We all know what sort of firearms he is querying "the need" for. The same type that more often than not simply do not feature in the infinitesimally number of actual - not imagined - incidents where firearms are presented at police. As for "need", it's a free country - for the time being at least. One might also ask why do we "need" bottled water?

It's a slippery slope when one has to justify "needs" to the state.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Another thing I've heard him mention consistently in his radio interviews and it's very important:

05:55 - "... we need to have a better discussion around how many guns are imported every year, the sort of guns and whether they're all needed".

Basically what he is advocating for has not been realised. "Better discussion" is double speak for "how can we control". We all know what sort of firearms he is querying "the need" for. The same type that more often than not simply do not feature in the infinitesimally number of actual - not imagined - incidents where firearms are presented at police. As for "need", it's a free country - for the time being at least. One might also ask why do we "need" bottled water?

It's a slippery slope when one has to justify "needs" to the state.

It's so obvious to see through his bullshit. Basically he wants registration so he can have some actual data (which he strangely seems to be lacking to back up what he is saying).

Once he has that data, he can run back and say "OMG, we had no idea there were so many of this kind of gun, and we had no idea there are so many people who own more than a couple, we need a buyback and limitations on xyz..."

That's where all of his rhetoric points to if you read and listen to him carefully.

I wonder what Mr Cahill thinks about the proposal from Wellington to cut back arms management field staff drastically? How would they fit the implementation of such a bold undertaking as universal registration into the midst of such a radical restructure, when the 36 field staff have all of their other duties to carry out at the same time? Are AO's not part of the police association?

What I would like Cahill to answer is when does he think the criminals will register their guns? They wont because they cannot get a license!!!!!

What will happen if they recover a stolen firearm that has been used by a criminal when they check the registration and find it was reported stolen? Will it be returned to the RIGHTFUL owner now they know who it belongs to? No. Policy is to destroy it regardless once it is no longer needed for evidence. So why would he need to know who it had been stolen from?

Almost all firearms are already registered (MSSA, B, and C, Cat ones) so if they cannot do this in timely fashion how is addding more problems going to help them make it work?

Here is the challenge- If he is so convinced that it will work, will he bet his career and lifestyle on it? When it fails will he promise to go back to England in shame and stay there since he thinks their system is so great? (Oh and he can pay the bill off in installments....)

I'd still like to know why the media treat a trade union rep as if he is in command of the Police.
It's well known that socialists and communists don't want armed citizens.
As for the "criminals steal them from licenced owners" Maybe if plod done their core job and caught criminals there'd be less guns in the wrong hands.
He'd be using his time better lobbying judges on handing out meaningful sentences.

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Originally Posted by timattalon

What I would like Cahill to answer is when does he think the criminals will register their guns? They wont because they cannot get a license!!!!!

What will happen if they recover a stolen firearm that has been used by a criminal when they check the registration and find it was reported stolen? Will it be returned to the RIGHTFUL owner now they know who it belongs to? No. Policy is to destroy it regardless once it is no longer needed for evidence. So why would he need to know who it had been stolen from?

Almost all firearms are already registered (MSSA, B, and C, Cat ones) so if they cannot do this in timely fashion how is addding more problems going to help them make it work?

Here is the challenge- If he is so convinced that it will work, will he bet his career and lifestyle on it? When it fails will he promise to go back to England in shame and stay there since he thinks their system is so great? (Oh and he can pay the bill off in installments....)

One of the COLFO reps recently commented on a case where an MSSA owner had his firearms stolen, and the gun charges being dropped against the perpetrator (no mention of others). The court ordered the destruction of his firearms, despite them being registered and able to be returned.