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6 mins of my life I'm never getting back
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first he rambles on about criminals having guns then he decides that we need more regulation for lawful owners. the guy is a muppet. of course penalising us will stop illegal handguns coming in with 100kg of P.
03:47 - "...it's all good rhetoric but it isn't evidence, is it?"
03:51 - "Well it is evidence..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
I heard the interview this morning, before I knew who he was I thought what an idiot.
Anyone with his "lefty, socialist leaning" will never worry about facts getting in the way of a good story.Quote:
Originally Posted by berg243
Fantastic!
05:00 we have the union tongue firmly up their master's arse, then 06:20 we have his imaginary friends again. Fuck off Chris, you're a lying sack of shit.
I love the 4.29 mark can you give me actual numbers? Chris blah blah blah no answer in that:XD:
Lobbied by a small section of the gun community?
My question didn’t we sign a petition on this? If so how many signatures?
What a knob. Thought Guyon Espiner did a good job.
Another thing I've heard him mention consistently in his radio interviews and it's very important:
05:55 - "... we need to have a better discussion around how many guns are imported every year, the sort of guns and whether they're all needed".
Basically what he is advocating for has not been realised. "Better discussion" is double speak for "how can we control". We all know what sort of firearms he is querying "the need" for. The same type that more often than not simply do not feature in the infinitesimally number of actual - not imagined - incidents where firearms are presented at police. As for "need", it's a free country - for the time being at least. One might also ask why do we "need" bottled water?
It's a slippery slope when one has to justify "needs" to the state.
It's so obvious to see through his bullshit. Basically he wants registration so he can have some actual data (which he strangely seems to be lacking to back up what he is saying).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Once he has that data, he can run back and say "OMG, we had no idea there were so many of this kind of gun, and we had no idea there are so many people who own more than a couple, we need a buyback and limitations on xyz..."
That's where all of his rhetoric points to if you read and listen to him carefully.
I wonder what Mr Cahill thinks about the proposal from Wellington to cut back arms management field staff drastically? How would they fit the implementation of such a bold undertaking as universal registration into the midst of such a radical restructure, when the 36 field staff have all of their other duties to carry out at the same time? Are AO's not part of the police association?
What I would like Cahill to answer is when does he think the criminals will register their guns? They wont because they cannot get a license!!!!!
What will happen if they recover a stolen firearm that has been used by a criminal when they check the registration and find it was reported stolen? Will it be returned to the RIGHTFUL owner now they know who it belongs to? No. Policy is to destroy it regardless once it is no longer needed for evidence. So why would he need to know who it had been stolen from?
Almost all firearms are already registered (MSSA, B, and C, Cat ones) so if they cannot do this in timely fashion how is addding more problems going to help them make it work?
Here is the challenge- If he is so convinced that it will work, will he bet his career and lifestyle on it? When it fails will he promise to go back to England in shame and stay there since he thinks their system is so great? (Oh and he can pay the bill off in installments....)
I'd still like to know why the media treat a trade union rep as if he is in command of the Police.
It's well known that socialists and communists don't want armed citizens.
As for the "criminals steal them from licenced owners" Maybe if plod done their core job and caught criminals there'd be less guns in the wrong hands.
He'd be using his time better lobbying judges on handing out meaningful sentences.
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One of the COLFO reps recently commented on a case where an MSSA owner had his firearms stolen, and the gun charges being dropped against the perpetrator (no mention of others). The court ordered the destruction of his firearms, despite them being registered and able to be returned.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
He said that they don't have actual data yet, but are starting to collect it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
So in 12months time they will say it's 100x worse than they thought and it's getting worse, despite no long term data to actually back it up.
WTF!! When was this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Don’t be too surprised @Steve123 it’s been happening for some time.
This whole thing just suxs. How is it that we law abiding citizens that have been checked out by the police get treated like criminals.
Where as the crims get away with it.
This twit just spouts shit because he loves the sound of his own voice.... I wonder how many of the police he represents roll there eyes and say OH GOD there goes another load of good will down the tube in the community which we have spent years earning:sick:
Almost like that joke about year but year, but you shag 1 sheep.........
the muppet is being interviewed on zb talkback in christchurch this morning, he now wants chch cops armed constantly
You have a link to that interview @gonetropo ? Cheers
mother in law rang me, but he will be interviewed between now and mid dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
https://www.iheart.com/live/newstalk...stchurch-6189/
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Cahill's feet need to be held to the fire at every turn. Not only is he targeting LFAO but in this interview he even discredits the organisation he represents:
02:08 - "Police have also admitted that their firearms data is flawed, it's very bad and it has to umm improve dramatically. In a internal review they did they found of 90 firearm incidents, only 5 were correctly recorded. So I um... have very grave doubts that their data is actually correct".
In other words 5.55% were correctly recorded. What determines a "firearm incident"? Let's assume two basic factors for the purpose of this discussion:
1. A firearm is present
2. A firearm is presented
One should ask how difficult can the presence of or the presentation of a firearm be to document if ~94% are "incorrectly recorded"?
It's not complicated. There was a firearm present, or not. A firearm was presented, or not.
Unsure mate, best to ask COLFOQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
As Ive said before, our police have close ties with our gun hating neihbours aussie, plus if the tv programs are anything to go by, and absolute ton of English coppers. they have way more stringent firearms laws over there. If this Cahill chap is being influenced by those two factions, it would go a long way to identify where he is getting his dribble from. Guns Bad-must stop guns ugh, even if my statistics are wrong ughQuote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
My biggest problem is he is in a position that means the media listen to him. A few of his ideas actually have some merit, but the mantra and policies he nags on about undermine any good he would otherwise be able to achieve.
They say the squeaky wheel gets the oil (so he makes a lot of noise) but he should realise that the screeching wheel gets replaced..........
Guys I do live in the UK and have both a shotgun and firearms tickets. Are the laws here more strict?
Not really just different. You don’t need to sit any test. In fact to own a shotgun they don’t really ask for any prior experience. They don’t do separate interviews of the spouse.
So on a game day, or at a clay ground you could be standing right next to a person that has absolutely no idea.....and I have:O_O:
Comparing the two countries it’s like grey v grey. Just different shades. Oh and there register on firearms is a joke. I needed to remind them twice that I had gifted my rifle to my father in NZ. They have enough trouble getting my name right. But each county is different my experience is for the Thames Valley police. Wiltshire just over the boarder is a total different kettle of fish. As in good fish and nice kettle.
Anyway statistics can be made to look like anything. ie a cut down shotgun is a pistol. And airsoft gun that looks like an ar....etc and coming from him he wants them to look like anything. Also look at one of those other interviews where the guy was saying that gun crimes in NZ are committed by the same small percentage of criminals again and again.
So Chail is telling us that we can’t trust the sats that are coming from the police? Umm so what can we trust? You need a really savvy reporter to just tear him a new one because he doesn’t seem to have to many clues. It wouldn’t be hard have all the facts in front of you and ask the questions when he doesn’t answer them...well now hilly old chap that’s not an answer is it...
This interviewer did a good job for his allocated time.
@Sideshow your rules are a more strict than here and the penalties are quite a bit harsher too I believe? I'll briefly summarize the small amount I know and if its wrong let me know.
You have registration,
you can only use the firearm that's on your registration papers,
if the cops don't think its valid you may not get papers to buy another rifle if its the same calibre as one you already own. Id imagine that comes down to the officer in charge, not necessarily the law
when prosecuted for firearms offences you get a penalty for each cartridge that you illegally own.
For many years there has been a power limit for air guns
You are limited to what shotgun ammo ie solids unless you have the right certificate/license
semiauto and pump rifles are only permitted if they are a rimfire-no centerfires
pistols used for sporting reasons were banned years ago.
Its way harder there than here
thats because england is a caliphate of islam. so damn glad i got the hell out of thereQuote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
See underlined.
@csmiffy see underlinedQuote:
Originally Posted by csmiffy
Yes you have pretty much summed it up correctly. But my point was getting the ticket be it shotgun or firearms ticket (They are not one and the same! You have a right to a shotgun ticket, and it’s a privilege to a firearms ticket) is a lot easier.
When I went for my NZ firearms license it was way harder. Once you got it it was a lot easier.
There are good and bad points to both the NZ and UK systems.
For one I think that the UK should introduce the seven rule test system and spousal interviews.
The register is a joke and should be got rid of. They have made it easier with rifle ammo I can now buy expanding ammo.
But they still have some funny stuff that’s hard to get your head around. Like for instance I can buy all reloading stuff without a license? Primers powder brass. You only need a license once it’s assembled.
The rest of the uk firearm license system was designed to keep the wife happy so you can’t impulse buy.:oh noes:
Hope this worked this time it seems to be having a fit with me. Cheers S
Do airsoft, paintball, replica's and starter guns count as guns when they get recorded.....? I bet they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Any cops out there who want to run for president of the police association?
Ill try drum up a few votes for you.
Is there a mould you have to fit into to take the position?Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
I think you probably have to be a cop, and it would be really nice if you were into shooting sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
Gun-fingers probably count. Not that they would have the data availableQuote:
Originally Posted by 40mm