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Top one is defiantly a Japanese cartridge, 7.7jap should be 79.6mm long give or take and 6.5jap should be 76mm give or take.
Calliper the projo and that will give you your answer.
But, 100% a Japanese cartridge.
@Billymavs
6.5 Arisaka ( Jap ) you reckon .. ??
Measurements:
Case length: 50.65 mm
Projectile diameter close to case neck: 6.60 mm
Cartridge OAL: 76.20 mm
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