Cartridge ID please

Hi Team,
I am looking to ID a couple of cartridges I have had for a while which might be of more interest / use to someone other than me.

This centrefire cartridge below I believe is a WW11 relic, IIRC. It's live. I dont know the cal. Any expert/s who could tell me more ?
https://i.postimg.cc/hPJ1b7WM/20250127-130253.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/s23W8M8k/20250127-130130.jpgimagehost

The cart. below is a rimfire. Cal unknown and I'm guessing contains shot ... ?? Looks like a stylised capital "E" stamped on the base.
Any expert/s who could tell me more ?
https://i.postimg.cc/QMRJz8Q1/20250127-130415.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/tJgJtPs5/20250127-130341.jpg

This ( old ) box Remington branded 22LR cartridges contains 22 brass cased cartridges stamped with a capital "u" on the base, and 15 zinc coated (?) cartridges with "HI U SPEED" stamped on the bottom. I guess the zinc cased ones are HiSpeed Kleenbore as the box indicates, and the bullets are hollow points, also noted on the box. But what are the others ? Nothing I can find tells the bullet weight.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxHnjjhv/20250127-130549.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/gcvqjPpk/20250127-135123.jpg

Last one clearly is a small quantity of 22 LR shot cartridges. I think the ICI brand is old. Really just asking if it has any collector value to anyone.
https://i.postimg.cc/Xvmmj0bk/20250127-130454.jpgquick image upload
https://i.postimg.cc/fbmjd4dK/20250127-130525.jpg

As always, thanks for any info provided.
Cheers

6.5 Arisaka would be my guess for the top one.

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Originally Posted by Allizdog

6.5 Arisaka would be my guess for the top one.

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case seems to measure a bit longer I was thinking 7.62 x54R
vernier the projectile would help

Top one is defiantly a Japanese cartridge, 7.7jap should be 79.6mm long give or take and 6.5jap should be 76mm give or take.

Calliper the projo and that will give you your answer.

But, 100% a Japanese cartridge.

isn't the 7.7 rimless?

Measure the diameter of the paper case rimfire ,it could be 9mm rimfire and yes it will be shot

Also, measure the case length of the cartridge in the picture at the top. If I am correct in my assumption it should measure approximately 50.8mm - 51mm. And ofcourse measure the projectile diameter as close as possible to the case neck. The overall length of the cartridge should be around 75.4mm.

silly idea but would the bottom one be a Ramset charge?

They are 22 and I have some with Winchester X stamped on the bottom, it's just that the crimped blank style top looks like one - they are graded by colour, might be purple or black??

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Originally Posted by 308

silly idea but would the bottom one be a Ramset charge?

They are 22 and I have some with Winchester X stamped on the bottom, it's just that the crimped blank style top looks like one - they are graded by colour, might be purple or black??

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@308
They are in the small blue box pictured above them. The box says "shot cartridges" so I guess they're for shoot'n critters. Probably wouldn't be best used in a Ramset gun :wtfsmilie: :o

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Originally Posted by Allizdog

Also, measure the case length of the cartridge in the picture at the top. If I am correct in my assumption it should measure approximately 50.8mm - 51mm. And ofcourse measure the projectile diameter as close as possible to the case neck. The overall length of the cartridge should be around 75.4mm.

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@Allizdog
Case length: 50.65 mm
Projectile diameter close to case neck: 6.60 mm
Cartridge OAL: 76.20 mm

Close enough to to call it 6.5 Arisaka you think ?

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Originally Posted by Billymavs

Top one is defiantly a Japanese cartridge, 7.7jap should be 79.6mm long give or take and 6.5jap should be 76mm give or take.

Calliper the projo and that will give you your answer.

But, 100% a Japanese cartridge.

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@Billymavs
6.5 Arisaka ( Jap ) you reckon .. ??
Measurements:
Case length: 50.65 mm
Projectile diameter close to case neck: 6.60 mm
Cartridge OAL: 76.20 mm

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Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Measure the diameter of the paper case rimfire ,it could be 9mm rimfire and yes it will be shot

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@Marty Henry
Diameter 7.80 mm
Would it be something other than 9 mm rimfire ?

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Originally Posted by Billymavs

Top one is defiantly a Japanese cartridge, 7.7jap should be 79.6mm long give or take and 6.5jap should be 76mm give or take.

Calliper the projo and that will give you your answer.

But, 100% a Japanese cartridge.

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Spot on. Just had a look at the ww2 6.5 jap here and they have the identical primer crimp pattern, 76mm overall and the bullet is sealed with red lacquer - you can see a trace of the same in the photo above.

they made .32 flobert garden guns back in the day.

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Originally Posted by 30.06king

@Allizdog
Case length: 50.65 mm
Projectile diameter close to case neck: 6.60 mm
Cartridge OAL: 76.20 mm

Close enough to to call it 6.5 Arisaka you think ?

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Yes. It must be a 6.5 Arisaka being Japanese and of that era and dimensions.