Thread: Changes in the impact point

Gillie / Tussock there is no way that I wish to debate rifle accuracy with the two of you as I know less than a new born babe about the subject. That said, Phillip will be with me during the roar and there will be little chance of him shooting beyond 100 metres let alone 200 with most of the shooting opportunity likely to be in the <30 to <50 metre range hence my assurance to him that it was not going to be an issue. I have not seen Phillip shoot but let's for the sake of conducting an exercise assume that he is not good and only capable of shooting a 4 inch group at 100 metres and then lets also assume that there will be another 4 inch shift in the point of impact between how he has sighted in his rifle and how it will perform when he is shooting off hand or resting against a tree. Even under these extreme (assumed) circumstances, surely he should be capable of hitting a deer at <50 metres. My council will be for Phillip to be taking shoulder or heart/lung shots anyway as if he gets a stag he will likely want to take the trophy.

Phillip, listen to and learn from the knowledge and wisdom of these far more learned members as I am no expert on the accuracy of rifles. But my comment stands, "It won't be a problem"

Originally Posted by Rushy

Gillie / Tussock there is no way that I wish to debate rifle accuracy with the two of you as I know less than a new born babe about the subject. That said, Phillip will be with me during the roar and there will be little chance of him shooting beyond 100 metres let alone 200 with most of the shooting opportunity likely to be in the <30 to <50 metre range hence my assurance to him that it was not going to be an issue. I have not seen Phillip shoot but let's for the sake of conducting an exercise assume that he is not good and only capable of shooting a 4 inch group at 100 metres and then lets also assume that there will be another 4 inch shift in the point of impact between how he has sighted in his rifle and how it will perform when he is shooting off hand or resting against a tree. Even under these extreme (assumed) circumstances, surely he should be capable of hitting a deer at <50 metres. My council will be for Phillip to be taking shoulder or heart/lung shots anyway as if he gets a stag he will likely want to take the trophy.

Phillip, listen to and learn from the knowledge and wisdom of these far more learned members as I am no expert on the accuracy of rifles. But my comment stands, "It won't be a problem"

Awesome Rushy, at those sort of distances you are right, it won't make enough of a difference. Bush hunting roaring stags is easily some of my most exciting memories. Phillip, you are going to have some fun - and as you are thinking about POI change you might as well go and check it at the range to save you thinking about it again!

Rushy, I am afraid this topic is a pet peev with me - i like to advocate people shoot more and have rifle sighted in exactly where they expect. I like to have absolute confidence in my rifle. The downside to this is that it is always my fault!!

Originally Posted by Gillie

Rushy, I am afraid this topic is a pet peev with me - i like to advocate people shoot more and have rifle sighted in exactly where they expect.

People like me must frustrate you then Gillie. I take a rifle out of the safe and expect it to hit where I aim and perform just like it did the last time I held it. I load, ready and fire and expect to see an animal on the ground (which is by and large always the result although some may bolt the gap for thirty metres or so) and then away the rifle goes after being cleaned, ready for the next time - same deal. Still that could all change if and when I get the rifle I am endeavouring to have imported.

Originally Posted by Rushy

People like me must frustrate you then Gillie. I take a rifle out of the safe and expect it to hit where I aim and perform just like it did the last time I held it.

Nope with that attitude it not the people "like you" that frustrate me and i expect exactly the same out of my own rifles.

The people that frustrate me say things like:
"But my mate said he sighted it in"
"Nah, as soon as i could hit the paper that was good enough"
"The shop sighted it in with their in store laser"
"Nah, i just use the cheap ammo to sight in with, not the hunting stuff"
"its just come back from the gunsmith, it'll be fine"
"Torque? WTF? Nah mate, did mine up with a screw driver, didn't need to talk to it"
Wheres it sighted in? - response "about 100 yards i'll just aim a bit high for that 300m goat"
Wheres it shooting? - response "last time i checked it, it was about 2 inches hight and 3 to the left" - At what distance? - response "I think it was about 100 yards"
"what do you mean, i sighted in on 9 power. It'll be bang on on 3 power as well"
"bit funny wounding that one, thought it was sighted in"
Done anything to your rifle since then? - response "Nah, i mean i took a tumble with it last trip but that won't do anything"
"nah never shot anything past 100m except that goat at... must have been 400 yards. Got it too, never found it but it was definately hit"

Can't think of anymore i have heard. Pretty sad i have heard all of these, several of them more than once...

Originally Posted by Gillie

Nope with that attitude it not the people "like you" that frustrate me and i expect exactly the same out of my own rifles.

The people that frustrate me say things like:
"But my mate said he sighted it in"
"Nah, as soon as i could hit the paper that was good enough"
"The shop sighted it in with their in store laser"
"Nah, i just use the cheap ammo to sight in with, not the hunting stuff"
"its just come back from the gunsmith, it'll be fine"
"Torque? WTF? Nah mate, did mine up with a screw driver, didn't need to talk to it"
Wheres it sighted in? - response "about 100 yards i'll just aim a bit high for that 300m goat"
Wheres it shooting? - response "last time i checked it, it was about 2 inches hight and 3 to the left" - At what distance? - response "I think it was about 100 yards"
"what do you mean, i sighted in on 9 power. It'll be bang on on 3 power as well"
"bit funny wounding that one, thought it was sighted in"
Done anything to your rifle since then? - response "Nah, i mean i took a tumble with it last trip but that won't do anything"
"nah never shot anything past 100m except that goat at... must have been 400 yards. Got it too, never found it but it was definately hit"

Can't think of anymore i have heard. Pretty sad i have heard all of these, several of them more than once...

I totally understand.