Thread: Changes in the impact point

Originally Posted by R93

Natural point of aim is imo, is most important, but finding it in its true form in other positions is subtle and takes a lot of practice.

Very true I'm a bit of a stuck record on natural point of aim. IMO its the holy grail of shooting well...

Originally Posted by Tussock

There should not really be one, apart from parralex error.

Agree, there shouldn't be one... but in many cheap scopes there is. It is one of the very first things i have checked when mounting a new scope. With the bore sighter still there leave the rifle in the vice and watch through the scope for cross hair movement as the power is adjusted. In cheap scopes it can easily be 3-4 MOA...

When i have brought a scope with this problem i have sent it back to the supplier and gotten them to replace it.

Originally Posted by ebf

Very true I'm a bit of a stuck record on natural point of aim. IMO its the holy grail of shooting well...

Yep, absolutely agree. Teaching it in prone is not too hard. Most people i have seen don't think they need to worry about it when shooting off a bipod... and then they wonder why the rifle bounces sideways. Learning natural point of aim in the sitting kneeling and standing positions can be difficult, adjusting your natural POA while in position can be even more difficult to learn

Originally Posted by Gillie

Yep, absolutely agree. Teaching it in prone is not too hard. Most people i have seen don't think they need to worry about it when shooting off a bipod... and then they wonder why the rifle bounces sideways. Learning natural point of aim in the sitting kneeling and standing positions can be difficult, adjusting your natural POA while in position can be even more difficult to learn

yup, fun watching people have a light-bulb moment when training for IPSC. tell them to close their eyes before drawing, and then see where the pistol ends up pointing. when you add movement or forced positions it gets pretty interesting... one of the training clinics I attended we did a lot of fire at targets with both front and rear sights obscured by patches... pure body position and muscle memory.

I find when using a bipod that if I place a folded up towell, ie something soft under the bipod I don't get the POI shift compared to with the bipod on the bench or concrete.
Was always taught never to rest the rifle on anything hard, even in the field place your hand under it or your hat if you need to when resting on a branch or fencepost etc.

I've recently just brought a bipod, unfortunately yet to use/sight in with or even used one on the rifle before but this is how it'll work for me:

I'll sight the rifle in with the bipod and will probably do another shot or two over my daybag for interest sake but if I don't i wont be bothered as my theory will be that i got the bipod for the stability in the longer shots - 3 - 500yds so it makes sense the rifle will be sighted in for with it and at those ranges i'll have plenty of time to piss around taking it out of my pack and putting it on. Now on shots less than 300 I probably wont even bother with the bipod and I wouldn't imagine my POI without the bipod is going to make bugger all difference under 300yds that it's going to make me miss a shoulder shot.

Up to the individual to have confidence in his rifle and himself to know where it's shooting.

I only carry a bipod if there is a fair chance i will be shooting 4hundred plus.
Other wise its off day pack or sitting shooting of knees or in bush the nearest tree/branch standing

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i sight in on a bipod - anything shot at range is with the pod, sub that is off hand and the distance isnt big enough to worry about poi changes