What Friwi said without a doubt: trophies are all too often associated with hero worship.
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What Friwi said without a doubt: trophies are all too often associated with hero worship.
I tend to only go hunting if i need the meat. Means i dont hunt as much as i would like but I dont like killing for no reason. Think its a waste. What do you do with animals if the freezer is full.Quote:
Originally Posted by HNTMAD
If you had read my other comments you would see I give to friends and family. I have never and will never shoot an animal and not take meat. I hunt as I enjoy it so I go all the time. Average at least once a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by robhughes-games
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Spiker every time over hind unless asked by farmer to reduce numbers then hind
spiker for me. love the meat. don't need to waste mrs bambi or young bambi - till next year.
I'd shoot the spiker behind the ear and the hind in the ribs. Plenty of deer on the edge of farmland. You won't run out.
Do the cocky a favour and shoot the next ten too. Paddock deer are a dime a dozen.
I will get a dime if you find me a cocky who will let me shoot a dozen deer.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwijames
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You know where @BRADS is:DQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I was a bit surprised at the amount of supporters of shooting the spiker. Its a personal choice and each of us have to be happy within ourselves after pulling the trigger, Im not judging anyones choice.
I like to see the yearling stags survive to grow their second antlers, then its easier to see potential VS dudness. If i thought the herd was healthy enough to lose a hind i would shoot the hind, if not the cool photo would do me.
I have my record book 16 pt stag on the wall watching me type this and my freezer full of venison so maybe the choice was easier for me
i was thinking the same thing, anyone that loves hunting during the roar should leave that spiker as he is showing great potential.for all you meat hunters who would tip the spiker over,i would do the same thing if i was solely a meat hunter, it,s all the hunters that put in for ballots during the roar or go on hunting trips during the roar etc, that have me bamboozled, why bother hunting during the roar if you are going to shoot all potential trophy's throughout the year, by all means shoot spikers with spikes that aren't much higher than their ears but you shouldn't complain if you haven't shot a 12 pointer in your life when you are tipping over anything that has antlers during the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by 338 man
Hi, I'm here to answer your question...
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Who is a clever bugger then? Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
It was a few months ago Rushy.
Still three young fellahs is good going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
take the hind if you want meat, leave the spiker to grow.
Good to see im not alone in supporting the force, for all you darkside followers i stand by my view that only ones conscience should dictate a trigger pull or not. still no judgement here !
( Tahr ) I guess with almost 2500 post you dont get much time hunting so go hard and shoot those spikers. ( in your hunting area )
Yea Tahr i realize meat hunters are going to shoot anything and i don't have a problem with that, it's the others that go looking for trophy's during the roar, then moan because they don't see many stags or hear much roaring in their area, they have to remember that today's spiker could be a decent stag if given a few years to mature.
I don't really get the leave the spiker shoot the hind theory as it could grow into a trophy because it has long spikes? Really? I would like to know what that is based on.
Do some research on your hunting area. If it has good genetics and has produced a 300+ DS stag every 5-6 years, fair enough leave the spikers.
Otherwise your extemely unlikely to be shooting a potential trophy no matter how old it gets. Shit heads don't get better if left a few years.
I personally wouldn't even go near an area that has good genetics if I was meat hunting.
I don't shoot hinds anymore as a matter of choice. A yearling hind definitely. March thru till September only if I need the freezer stocked, otherwise I will hold out for the perfect eater.
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First shot would go on whatever one had the best shot, then if possible I would shoot the second one. Then Take as much of the best meat as possible given the location.
Hunting is an excuse to get in the outdoors to me and meat and memory's is all I seek. And my house can only fit one mount (according to my wife) and I would be very lucky to shoot something bigger than I all ready have.
Maybe if I was hunting in a trophy area I would think different. But I normally don't. Thar hunting I always think genetics though.
Don't be fooled by post quantity, unlike some internet hunters @Tahr talks the talk and walks the walkQuote:
Originally Posted by 338 man
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Originally Posted by R93
That's about it for me too. At present I probably wouldn't shoot either of them, opting for a yearling instead. Regardless of public vs private land.
The whole leave spikers thing doesn't really work for me either, especially so in places where big heads aren't common. In saying that, I have been known to 'select' small spiked spikers from mobs, in the hope that the longer spiked animals would grow out to be something special eventually. Whether this works or not is beyond me. Reality is, stags simply don't get the age on them to reach their full potential.
There's no point leaving a spiker, then shooting a 3-4 year old 12 pointer or 5 year old 14 pointer in the roar, then harping on about trophy potential!
In the past on private land where we can sort of control what's shot, and where numbers are low, shooting a hind is a big no for us. Get the numbers up and then start selecting more. But then, getting the male/female mix right for a 'fun' roar, vs the best for herd development is a bit counter productive. It's a hard one.
For meat around this time of year, I won't ever shoot a hind. The thought of a young fawn starving to death makes me feel sick. So if I'm after meat, normally I'll have a look for a fat little yearling or summer time stags in velvet. They are normally easier to select a poor head vs potential good head - malformed antlers, tine length, spread, timber weight, amount of velvet up etc; these are obviously far more easily evaluated on a stag, than on a spiker. If it has a shit head at 2-5 years of age, chances are it isn't going to get better.
The 'mature' stags are easy to pick out of a mob of stags, and if they've been carrying a bit up top, they'll have dropped early and be well into growing a decent head of velvet by now, they're the ones I'll leave for sure.
Horses for courses. Every place is different, and everyone hunts for different reasons. I generally don't comment on peoples choices on why they shot an animal, because I wasn't there to see the situation play out or don't know their experience. But if I am taking a new hunter out, I'll normally try to drop a few hints from my experience and whatever they choose to take from that is up to them.
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Originally Posted by 338 man
Hah. You know nothing about me.
I dragged myself away from the computer long enough last night to get this. A nice step up from spikers' for me :)
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Way to go Tahr.
Oh no, the trophy potential of area is now ruined. [emoji56]Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
The dog looks well proud!
The funny thing with that whole discussion, is that everybody choose to do different type of hunting ( meat vs trophy) and has different opinion on what they ought to shoot.
Now imagine in one specific area over a year, visited by a bunch of meat hunter and a bunch of trophy hunter( that would be late February to mid winter depending of area). Between them they might shoot pretty much everything in sight apart hinds and fawns.
So as a whole group they might do the same damage as the guys who shoot all type of animals all year long.
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Originally Posted by Friwi
And that my friend, is exactly what happens.
None of those high post count twats go hunting ,it must be photo shopped :thumbsup:...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I have a massive post count cos I have a wife that watches tv..... I also stopped posting any trip reports a long time ago...................
Ooh I must be a good hunter then cos I don't have a high post count.....ppffff yeah right Tui adQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
There's a bit of dribble out there alright...
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Don't get your knickers in a twist guys
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Calm down and ask 338 man to tell us how it is done. VC you especially appear to need lessons mate, you fellahs only got four on that trip last week.
Good call Rushy, My comments about post number were tongue & cheek and wasnt ment to offend anyone.
As far as asking me for advice, not the best plan as im not a pro. Last night i did shoot a hind that was eating grass the velvet stags needed though. HaHaHa
