Thread: The Forgiving Rifle

Originally Posted by Bagheera

A rifle should shoot well from a variety of positions, maintaining same point of impact despite differences in technique from shot to shot.

The concept of the "forgiving bow" is well known in archery but I haven't seen it applied in rifle shooting.

I have a springer air rifle, very expensive and top of the range. I wouldn't like to admit its less than accurate but I just can't shoot consistently well with it. On the other hand, I have a 7mmo8 which shoots to the same zero from sandbag, bench, prone on a front rest or a bipod. Whether I'm prone unsupported, draped over a rock or backpack, sitting rested across a branch, or waving around standing at a post, if the cross hair is on the target when it fires, the bullet will hit it. How do you design a gun like that ?

A couple of ideas I've thought of are:
Stock design for good recoil. I have no idea what geometry is needed for this.
Good cheek weld for eye position to scope. Also, parallax adjustment in the scope.
General stock fit to the individual shooter.
Heavy weight. I'm not sure if this is essential or not. Related is moment of inertia; That airgun weighs over 4kg but its short and has no barrel to speak of.
Bedding ? Is there something that makes it stable whether the stock is held tight or free recoil or stressed by a bipod ? Would ali pillar/frame or carbon fibre be better than bare wood or plastic ?

The very way that rifles are designed - rigidity and tight tolerance through and through - means there is no such issue as a design choice for better consistency (unless we are talking rifles that intentionally sacrifice accuracy for weight savings). Most time when you are looking at an inaccurate rifle, the problem is quality control somewhere. In other words, for most accurate rifles, I do not think shooting in different position can inherently impact its consistency.

Having said that, I can only think of two things that can make you less consistent if you were shooting at less supported positions - Weight of the rifle and quality of the trigger.

First lets talk about weight. When you shoot with less support (for example, standing and kneeling without sling) the heavier the rifle, the more faster your muscles fatigue and the faster you run out of oxygen. They all result in shaky hands and unsteady trigger pull, which in turn makes your consistency suffer.

Now lets turn to trigger. For me personally, there are 2 attributes in a trigger that affects its shooting quality - cleanness of break and weight of pull. (I consider length of travel to be a matter of choice and does not inherently affect the shooting quality). When the rifle is shot from a more supported position (for example, when supported by a vice), even with a crappy trigger, your finger's trigger pull will move the rifle very little, and you can take all the time you need to carefully pull it pass the break.

When you shoot the rifle completely unsupported, your rifle is in constant but tiny movement. Shooting accurately is basically pulling the trigger at the precise moment of the cross-hair passing the target. The heavy pull combined with the uncertainty of when it would fire (as a result of mushy breaking) can easily throw off the timing or the rifle itself.

So, my conclusion is that if you want a consistent rifle, just pick a reasonably accurate rifle without too much weight, and put in a nice trigger. Luckily most 1000 dollar centre-fire rifle today are reasonably accurate and reasonably light. Further, Savage and Tikka have been heavily competing on making better factory triggers for about 10 years now. Most other brands of this price range have also improved their factory triggers.

A rifle should shoot well from a variety of positions, maintaining same point of impact despite differences in technique from shot to shot.
I'm not exactly sure what is meant by this statement or the title of the original posting with regards a forgiving rifle. I try to employ the same technique to my rifle shooting whether I'm prone, unsupported or shooting from say a tripod. If I do my part, that is if I use proper shooting techniques the rifle should shoot the same point of impact. What I've seen over the years, are shooters not adopting the shooting fundamentals when shooting from an unspported position, an example they start forcing a natural point of aim rather than make slight adjustment to their shooting position. With regards a forgiving rifle, to be honest I can't answer, forgiving in what way. I hunt with a Tikka T3 in 270wsm, the rifle is braked and has a limb saver recoil pad, with scope it's about 7 1/2 lbs, to be honest it has less felt recoil than my kids scoped Remington 700 7mm-08. For PRS type competitions I'm using a 15lb, scoped rifle in 260, minimal recoil so I can spot trace and make adjustments, but certainly not a rifle I would hunt the mts with.