Would you eather the shooting community didnthave this fantastic long range contest structure tussock
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Would you eather the shooting community didnthave this fantastic long range contest structure tussock
Do your get a free blowjob for every time you give shane a plug?..
Crazyman , you should really get over the "so called bad history " What has he done to you or any others that is so bad that you feel so agrieved to hang shit on him when possible ?????Quote:
Originally Posted by crzyman
The guy has done a great things for competitive longrange shooters in NZ , even this sites own sponsors like Dead Eye Dicks endorse it as do other companies that in reality get little trade from it but they see the long term value in a tremendous set of compititions that Shane Cossar has organized for the shooting community .
Bury the hatchet and participate in a something you know youd enjoy and we can have a beer togeather and laugh at what a jerk youve been toward Shane who is such a gentleman and enthusiastic guy toward our sport and what a jerk I am anyway LOL :thumbsup:
Nice spot that too....much more interesting to drive up :PQuote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d.../SItrip150.jpg
That shot was taken not far from the fence shot you have ;)
well at least I am 99% sure
I tell you walking down the hill I was stuffed -never used the stopping down hill muscles in my legs and I couldnt walk properly for days -fitter guys than me felt it to .Its a pretty spot especially with the afternoon sun on the hills , I look forward to the event next year - you going ?
Nup spent some time on the station a few years back but just for pleasure....I walked from there to the high point then back to the scree slope on the top right corner of your fist pic....from the top it looked to go all the way down for an easy out....but no at least I had a ride at the bottom and didn't have to walk back to the house....Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Its only 'so called' because you werent involved in it when it was going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
There are more people on this forum who raised a middle finger to it than actually shot it even when the price was dropped to under 10% of original ie $20
You dont believe me and obviously anyone else who says the same
Noone that has put a LR event on has required ~$200 for you to come and shoot, justifying it with 'my flights and accommodation need paying'
We were all participating in something for free long before he even brought a rifle.
Its only you that seems to see it that way - all hes done is pad is pockets - not as much as he wanted to though.Quote:
The guy has done a great things for competitive longrange shooters in NZ
I believe that maybe people here taught him how to shoot?
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You guys have such a problem with someone making money for the effort they put into something :wtfsmilie:
200 dollars for the event I went to was money well spent -ask any member on here that has attended the Tekapo event and see what they say especially once you saw how much went into the organization of this event .
What did Crazy man do that for Shane that he thinks he owes him his left testy for ever and ever amen -nothing I bet !! . Cut the small minded miserable whining about something that didn't actually happen and support the best long range comp in the country .
I think this is just a perfect case of tall poppy syndrome , nothing more than that !! Its not as though you my friend Spanner earn so little you cant afford to pay for a pass to a comp like this ! Now , what about if people hung shit on you for making a small profit for your efforts importing projos and bits ? Stuff that !you deserve to be compensated for your effort as does Shane .
And as far as some here taught him how to shoot -so what , does he owe them something for that ??? I help guys all the time for free
The only dead horse being beat here is one of bad attitude from certain forum member toward a really top bloke
Condensed - along the lines of this
"this event that I've been so good to organise and you're all keen for, its going to cost you $200 now"
what for?
"targets, my time, my accommodation, my flights, profit, $20ea for lunch, $40ea for prizes, $5 a rd for the ammo on the stage you shoot my gun, and $200 for the bottle of scotch I'll drink afterwards - oh and BTW you cant shoot most of your guns in calibres that are needed to get to the distances shot"
*crickets*
"fuck you all - its cancelled and I'm outahere- off for a cry"
Its not got anything to do with being able to afford it or not - I was ready to go, the flights alone were over $600 for me, and then a rental or hitching a ride
It wasnt a small profit, it was a big one.
Plain and simple... and if thats not how it went, then explain why everyone then decided to raise the middle digit to it and not go?
IIRC there was another shoot organised after that and held the same w/e for free with more attendees.
''WE'' you and a few other misery's bearers!Discourage participants -don't think so !!!! Last event full and with 10 foreign guest participating -Amazing event that functioned very well due to a massive bit of organizing .This is an event that will grow and offers good value to a participant as an event -- Tussock it is best you don't come as your mind set would fit anyway ,this event is about positive and people that get up and go -you know people that actually do it !!
Spanners , I dont know if this was Shane's first attempt at doing a comp he may have been trying to find his feet and what was a reasonable market rate for his input which given there may be little to compare to - He obviously thought it not worth the effort if some guys weren't keen to cover his costs that he considered reasonable -well after several successful contest he has found his footing and a place in the shooting market for his events yet a few people want to keep there foot on his throat and make snide comments for what sensible reason if not just small mindedness ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
You insist on continually jacking him off all the time here, where its plainly obvious that noone here is interested, nor were after the 1st episode.
He thought it was not worth the effort as NOONE was interested in paying for his gear.
Was a nice looking sandwich but smelled like shit - and unfortunately you only remember the taste
Instead of bickering, can't Gunslingers be relegated to a section for paid advertisement?
It is after all a business taking money for a service and should perhaps be delineated as such to separete it from forum events?
Forum members interested in being customers of that business can go to that section, and forum members interested in participated in forum events can use the forum to find the events.
Just thinking out loud, I find the bickering unattractive, and if the number of participant in this thread is an indicator others do too...
Well put!Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
[QUOTE=Spanners;30429]You insist on continually jacking him off all the time here, where its plainly obvious that noone here is interested, nor were after the 1st episode.
He thought it was not worth the effort as NOONE was interested in paying for his gear.
Was a nice looking sandwich but smelled like shit - and unfortunately you only remember the taste[/QUOTE]
There are several members here that shoot the Gunslinger Comps including sponsors on the site.Jacking Shane off-lol nah just supporting something that grows our sport in a positive way-Shane is giving us a platform to play togeather
Norway , I have no financial interest in Gunslinger events -I am a participant like some others on this forum at these excellent events - it pisses me seeing snide comments about a good guy and a great competition platform because someone got upset by the original costs the organizer wanted -a guys has to find his feet right ! I imagine you would defend some one you know that shouldn't be being slagged off also -type of guy I am !Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
You seem to be the only one who sees it this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
BTW, the 'sponsors' here pay for advertising, and thus are 'paying advertisers'
No Spanners I am not , both the man and his comps are very well respected by members here that compete in them you just dont know them .
Of course advertisers should pay but that's not in dispute is it as no one is formally trying to sell tickets just tell of their great experiences from a shooting perspective for our type of shooting which is entertained at this event .
Lets face it it is not about that anyway it is just you guys cant get over something you all should have put behind you years ago - nothing more or less !
But you should consider the financial aspect of this. You have seen some of my blogs and might have noted that the view numbers are not very high. To use myself as an example and quote some numbers:
-The shooting mat. "Everyone" uses it now, even at indoor ranges.
-The cheekrest. Went from 20 sold total to 400/ year.
-The bipodpin. Increasing sales, manufacturer backordered.
-The boltknob. Suddenly sells, been on the market for years and years.
-Duracoat. Sales up xxx percent.
-PMII scopes. Used to be a special import, now keep a selection on the shelf and finding it difficult to stock enough scopes
-The rear bag. 1/2 crate sold so far this year (the truck kind crate)
That adds up to a LOT of money for the sellers. I see none of that money even though I help build the market and to be honest have a rather large expense doing it (edit: I kill one or two cameras each year with the abuse). New of this year is people contacting me wanting me to use their gear. A few of these offers are interesting and I'm likely to shake hands , most I can't be bothered with - I use what gear I bought & believe in and everyone that's helped me so far is small businesses (of the one-man-in-a-garage type, A-tec excepted).
Is it worth it? Yes, LR shooting is almost a lifestyle choice for me. I get to met a lot of like-minded people, talk to manufacturers and my own skillset is ever expanding.
Could I make money off it? Of course, but why be a prostitute for peanuts? It wouldn't affect my lifestyle, have an economic impact of significance or open up new choices. I make my money elsewhere, not on forums.
Do I get free gear? Yes, probably could get a lot of trinkets out of it but whyyyyyyy?
But I'm not naive with regards to money, if you want to buy a service off me I present a four figure bill at the end of the day - I don't hide my profit or pass it off as anything but a sale of services. There is A LOT of money being made off LR these days and a business shouldn't be passed off as an idealist organisation.
The bipod pin is a good idea. I posted about how good 'tactical' bolt knobs are in like mid 2008 and everyone made fun of me. :( guess I'm not influential.
Also I maintain that you copied me with the redtacgear rear bag :D
I would agree with all you have said Norway about others making money that sell product -the shops here do OK I wouldnt think to many are making alot out of the Long range crew as we import a lot .You must understand we target type shooters are not a big percentage in the shooting community overall -most are hunters - I doubt id be wrong in saying 98% are hunters not target minded shooters .
A contest like Gunslinger doesn't have a big effect on sales in reality -me mentioning Gunslinger has in no way an intent to push tickets only to push our wonderful sport .I have an enthusiasm to see my sport and passion grow hence why I will run my own events for the good of others and also give rave reviews about the Tekapo contest which is fantastic!!
Hahaha - where the chode pic?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
I always referred to it as an 'oversize' bolt knob because calling things tactical invites other people to call them 'tacti-cool' and I really really hate that word for some reason. Also 'tactical' is quite meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
And the fucked up bolt handle was like a year later.
Please let someone be able to find a pic of Gimps "Short throw" tactical bolt knob :pacman:Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
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Originally Posted by Cyclist
I've got one but in my Internet is too slow.
Edit: See?
Suggestion:
Instead of slagging the G event, organize a competing event.
I'll help you organize the event (stages/planning/organizing).
You do all the legwork and see what $ fee you can pull it off at.
Im sure it can be challenging, interesting and educational. You have to make it safe, accessible, smooth and cheap.
Any takers?
Owww.. and anyone got the pic of the cock on the stock with the bolt handle? thats some classic shit there - almost as good as Gimps hammer reloading :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF
Tacti-fuckin-cool baby - its about as mint as this
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See PMs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
your very generous Norway and this will be interesting. Are you suggesting an on going type event like Gunslinger.I'm sure those who think Gunslinger is a rip off will front up and find it a breeze:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
Closest I could findQuote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
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I don't think anyone is implying that shooting the Gunsllinger events wouldn't be a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by el borracho
Gimp shooting it is easy and fun , organizing it WOW that's one big job!! I have talked to Shane about it and it takes ages and a lot of effort and traveling
you going to pay the $2000 Tussock for the targets ? Helicopters ride up the hill is only if you want it and well worth while not having to walk the hill -not all are young fit buck rats!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tussock
I can run a small shoot also but not one on the scale of Tekapo , you need many hands and co-ordernation - half the shoots most have your lucky to get many members at let alone have them not shoot and act as range officers all day while others have fun .Remmber this aint a one position shoot but all over a mountain side and in the valley also
lets not sweat the first aid and see a well organized interesting shoot organized first eh.
Well, if it is a commercial venture and you do not have actions on and first response, it isnt very well organised is it?.
Look forward to seeing how this develops and seeing a COF
I paid $2000 for the first range. Built it, financed it in one summer and handed it over to the shooters.
Second range was $6000. Built it and left it open for all to use but remained in control of that one.
I believe Tussock already has steel after the first NZ shoot we had ? It was organized per internet as well.
Gimp has taken it upon himself organize stages, his suggestions are good and I've organized a fair amount of shoots up to a few hundred shooters, so should be able to put something up.
If it'll be Gunslinger type I don't know, never been to one as I didn't want to work for them. The extension of that would be someone else striking coin on my work, which I have expressly forbidden with the CD etc. Initial plan is to get Tussock out of earshot and help Gimp get a workflow that is managable by 2 or 3.
Then they can set a date, get sponsors, prices and prizes etc.
I will stipulate that in exchange for my help the prize rules will be:
Best performers get some sort of recognition for their skill
Physical sponsor prizes is divided by lottery - anyone can walk away with the prize regardless of how well they shot. The only requirement is that they participated.
You would have to come to the next one and stub your toe and see how its handled R93Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
