Haha how about I send some pigs down range with the 308?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Sounds good Gibo, Wednesday nights my last night.
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Haha how about I send some pigs down range with the 308?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Sounds good Gibo, Wednesday nights my last night.
We don't drink that stuff around here:rolleyes:.practice your wind, we had Fuckall today looking forward to next session with some windQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
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Think shitty waikatos gives most people windQuote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Flying pigs:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nibblet
We've ruined Norway's good thread.
Hope no one actually thought they'd learn anything reading all this:)
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Yes back to feedback and results
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It was entertaining enough for me after a day at the pondQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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Anything is entertaining compared to sitting at a pond all day :)
Hopefully get my new metal gongs this wee. Will definitely give this crack.
What type are you getting out of intrestQuote:
Originally Posted by johnino
Jase
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Got my engineering mate to make some up. Took a while to get him to find what sort of hardness steel I was going on about. They're square but I can still draw circles on 'em. I'll put a photo of them when I've got them.
yea cool post them up in the shooting thread ,mind a thread on gong's and what type people use and how they find them
Gaahh! Can't believe I never saw that thread. It would have been a sight quicker ordering them off you. Never mind. Yep I'll put a pic up on your thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Hi @Norway, is it a standing start for the competitor? Do they have their bipod/foreend support set before the time limit starts? If so that is a serious test of how familier they are with their gear. More so if they turn up to the line to shoot without looking at what the wind is doing beforehand.
In a couple of longer disatance field target shoots i have been invovled in we have the competitor start standing with thier rifle and gear, target is an unkown size at an unknown distance, and they haven't tried the shoot position before. We would probably not set a time limit less than 1 minute 30 seconds for this type of shoot, 2 minutes would be typical.
Hi @Gillie I think I have seen the videos from the LR events you host. Looks brilliant and very enjoyable for the shooters. I've had so many requests from abroad now on the LR proficiency test that I've ordered english versions. I can send you a bunch if you adher to the rules and SELL them using the money to improve infrastructure for LR shooters.
I personally prefer to start standing, but I didn't want to impede shooters by making rules not acceptable at their range. Not all range officers are happy with too much movement. The rules are:
The LR proficiency test is 1 target, 1 minute, 1 shot
http://www.kammeret.no/bilder/albums...080_-_Kopi.JPG
Known distance not shorter than 500 meters. To do the test at longer range gives nothing but personal satisfaction.
maximum time allowed is 1 minute or 60 seconds. Inside 1 minute you need to get behind the rifle, adjust your sights and fire your shot. You score according to the hit.
At "start" the rifle shall have the buttstock on the ground with scope set to normal zero (usually 100 or 200 meters) and lowest magnification. The target is cencored via optics or inspection, the bullet needs to strike inside the ring (the normal target practice of breaking the ring is not good enough).
If you want to use rests, shooting tables, ballistics apps - please do, you can start rigging your equipment or opening your app at "START!". The rifle is however allowed to rest on a bipod at start - not everyone is too good with muzzles etc...
http://www.kammeret.no/bilder/albums...071_-_Kopi.JPG
The LR proficiency test is primarily arranged by clubs and SOLD FOR MONEY at a steep minimum price, funds earmarked to improve infrastructure for LR shooters. If you do not have the opportunity to shoot under a club banner, do the test yourself. You can qualify/ cencor yourself for the patches/ stickers but the medal must be cencored by a club.
You are not allowed any test shots against the LR Proficiency target.
You can shoot test shots at other targets, these targets must be AT LEAST 25 meters shorter or farther then the LR proficiency target.
(Ie: The LR proficiency target is at 500 meters. Your test shot target cannot be closer than 475m or 525m.)
You can shoot the test several times same day (and pay the fee for each attempt, no bonuses given) IF:
The new test is shot against a new LR Proficiency target placed AT LEAST 25 meters farther out than any target you have shot that day. (Example: The LR Proficiency target was at 500m, you can shoot a new test at 525 meters. You shot a test target at 550 meters before shooting the LR Proficiency test, your next LR proficiency test must then be at least 575 meters).
OR
Wait 3 hrs/ 180 minutes and shoot the test at the same LR Proficiency target
OR
Shoot the same LR proficiency target with a different rifle
If no laser rangefinder is available, the following is approved:
600 normal steps out to target, 1000 steps for midgets or children.
600 meters measured with car trip counter.
600 meters measured on a map.
525 meters measured with a tape measure
525 meters measured with a GPS.
http://www.kammeret.no/bilder/albums...nghold_016.JPG
This test was designed to be available to ANYONE wanting to try their hand at longrange shooting.
It was made to put money in club coffers and improve infrastructure for LR shooters. The rules are not extremely detailed, you understand the spirit of it and act accordingly. This is about contributing and taking pride in personal skill. Cheaters will be cheaters and we have no correction mechanisms for that in the LR Proficiency test.
Only the LR proficiency bagdes/ stickers are available for self censorship, if you want the proper medal (highest score only), you must shoot the test via a club. The medal will be free of charge, it is a recognition of skill.
http://www.kammeret.no/bilder/albums...nghold_051.JPG
Attachment 23956So at 500m with known ammo the elevation setting is relatively easy, the bugger will be the wind. How long are you allowed to stand watching before the clock starts?
Also depends on ammo, so a 6.5mm is less wind impacted than a 308w.
Also, bipod or a sling? (enclosed is sling)
You can camp at the spot for a week for all I care...Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
If you are happy and content with taking the shot that way, do it like that. It is not for me to say HOW you should enjoy longrange shooting I only draw the minimum requirements to qualify this test which is an external recognition of your skill.
I believe bipod and sling could pass under "rest". In the example films I clearly use bipod and rear bag. If you like to challenge yourself with a sling, please do. You can start getting into the sling or shooting suit at "start!".Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
Another example of the test executed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU2V7Odz8aE
Bugger, there's 30 secs+ gone then, I kew you damn FTR'ers would cheat somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
:P
So are we going to pay our $30 into a kitty, get together at someone's place and witness each other do this or what!?
Norway can make the call what we do with the money when the time is right?
Nah, it is not for me to decide the price or what you will use the money for.
However, if you will adher to the rules and do something for your own good I can support with the medals/ stickers.
There are always volunteers doing a fair share of hauling for LR shooters, but they tend to be the same people. If one cannot contribute with manpower, providing money so services can be bought will work just as well.
It can be for anything from range lease, club ammo for youngster recruitment or feeding the shooters at a get-together. Not for me to decide, but I won't support an effort to fill one's own pocket - the club coffer or similar is ok.
It is an awesome idea Norway - it would be great for a forum get together event.
So its basically a quick coldbore shot at 500m plus , and although it looks like a lot of time , as Norway & Gillie have said its a good indicator of how well you can use your gear quickly , a lot of people will fail this , until they get use to their rifle / scope etc .
A lot of shooters NEED a lot more time than 1 minute to sort their S&%t out .
Norway , whats the bipod you are seen using , it looks a bit like a Sako TRG but with different mounting ?
Cheers Chris
I guess that's the point of the exercise, simulating a real life hunting situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisF
The bipod's an Atlas. I got one after researching atlas vs harris. Glad I did.
Not the bipod Chris is talking about. Looks a very nice bipod - PRS was the brand? I suspect it would be cheaper than the TRD bipod as well. Pity i don't have a spigot mount on my sako.
My bad. Must have been remembering the wrong video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
Yes , you see Norway using 3 different rifles and bipods ,
On the Blaser , it looks like a different knock off , of the Sako TRG bipods ( thats the one I am asking about ) .
On the rifle in a chassis , its a Atlas
On the Steyr , its a allot unit made for/by them .
For those not familar with the Sako TRG-22/42 bipods , they are steel , and mount into the alloy chassis on the TRG rifles , the main point on them , is they are low C of G design , ie the rifle normally sits on top of the bipod in most designs , ie the Harris & the Parker Hale / AI type , where as on the Sako , it mounts lower , or below the pivot point .
This makes a very stable platform to fire from , and very hard for the rifle to say tip over , the down side is they need , much longer legs than the normal design , and are heavier etc .
Also any one looking at the Sako TRG bipods , needs to know that over the years they have changed the design , and for me the new ones are NOT as good .
The design change , is the angle of the legs has changed , from basically wide , to a more narrower foot placement , this change is not GOOD for the bipod , But was done so they could use a rail mount for forward mounted Night Vision devices , so the new change has made the bipod poorer in terms of stability .
pics below show a AI/Parker Hale type & a Sako TRG-22/42 bipod ( older version , ie wide legs ) .
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...ps7a7405ee.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...psbe08a928.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d9...psd25efc4b.jpg
In short , in most normal bipod designs , the rifle sits on TOP of the bipod , in the Sako one the rifle sits lower down inside the bipod .
I'll let you know when I have the english versions. You'll get a buch for free and you can corporate them into your own event or whatever just as long as you use them to bring in EXTRA money and have a plan for their use. The medal thing was agonizingly slow, mostly due to silly companies dealing them. I designed a 3D pvc patch (without my logo) you can put on your jacket/ backpack or whatever. For now, only the highest valour (they are expensive to give away) but if this catches on we can surely make all valours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillie
As many have understood , this exercise is a "test of how familier they are with their gear" and "a good indicator of how well you can use your gear quickly , a lot of people will fail this , until they get use to their rifle / scope etc". The effort has been finding the right balance between accessible/ ease of administration/ difficult but not excluding/ safe also for beginners.
I consider the rules MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS but there will be no recognition of added difficulty such as starting behind a firing line etc - that will be personal satisfaction only.
1 target, 1 minute, 1 shot. Distance is known, it is your first shot at that target, rifle butt on the ground, scope set to normal zero and you have 60 seconds from "start!" to shot a target of approved size.
Make any allowance you would like to do to suit your own style of shooting as long as it inside the rules, but if this turns into an elitist blowhard prick-thing you are hardly complying with the essensce of the LR Proficiency Test.
Do the test yourself, shoot it with a friend, shoot it under a club banner - doesn't matter. Make any allowance you would like to do to suit your own style of shooting.
Who else has tried it?
Go give it a go, I think one minute is heaps, if you need longer than that two sort your shit out you must really struggle two full the freezer:)
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Don't really have a range i can set up steel at 500( i did but they got pulled out incase muppets shot the pines) so usually just shoot at rocks on public land.
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I would suggest there are others on the forum that would benefit more from them than i would @Norway. My own centrefire target set up is just about complete. I realised long ago that if i expected competitors to pay for the target setup i would have to increase the entry fees to a point it would exclude the people i wanted to come along and enjoy it. We accept that because we really enjoy running shoots, setting challenges for others and seeing them succeed at them (our definition of succeed is the competitor learning something and/or gaining confidence).Quote:
Originally Posted by Norway
:D With this type of talk it is a pity you can't make it to Rotorua, BRADS. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Another slo-go at the test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtvJRDi9KM
Another go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5isC8tl-ZM
Nice shooting Norway. You've set the bar high now. How long do you keep the sticker on the gun before you have to repeat the shot or remove it?
Not really, it is perfectly reasonable with ordinary equipment but the highest valour IS the highest valour. It leaves absolutely no room for errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnino
I haven't really given that much tought. The stickers are horribly expensive to produce, and it is impossible to show your current form as you never are better than your next shot. The interest exploded here in Norway, and when I get a more accurate number on how many can be expected to qualify for ELITE, at least that patch will have the year of the test recessed into it. It currently has no year.
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That patch looks great. I love the whole mentality behind this. My steel target is hopefully to be erected this weekend. I'll be back!!
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I was at the top for almost a full week and managed that achievement by not shooting the test again ;)
Future patches will be marked with the year you qualify. It is after all a physical recognition of your achievement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKQxxndpMM
No critic so harsh as yourself @Norway. Still a kill shot.
By all means, very happy with the shooting lately. It can be described as "steady" and my physical handicap seems to have upped my technical skill.
