Thread: Magpul "Art of the Precision Rifle" DVD

Originally Posted by Norway

Trying to glean more info on the Tubb design, it appears to be quite a bit better than the one I got and probably wont obscure my turrets
Scope Mounted Anti-Cant Indicator (34mm) - David Tubb

They look pretty nifty.

is there some way i can get a copie to have a look or buy cheers terry

It's after midday and I'm going to go jump in the ocean soon.

Originally Posted by gimp

... jump in the ocean soon.

Only depressed suicidals to that here...

(Northern Norway for those who don't know my location...)

I just Youtubed some of their stuff.
Good lord, some of the wannabe Rambo's that post comments on the vids, I reckon most are soft airgun twits.

Review
Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle DVD 3

The "professional" DVD. Dialogue gets more relaxed and "real", instruction gets more hands-on as the main instructor is now a professional shooter.
HOUR:MINUTE:SECOND

00:00:24
Chapter the USMC scout scniper
Presenting Caylen Wojcik

00:01:50
Breaking down for the viewer what it is to be a scout sniper

00:02:50
Talking about what it takes to be a sniper.

00:03:10
Sniper collecting raw information, not intelligence.

00:04:40
How the sniper training program is extremely difficult, not som much physically but more mentally.

00:05:10
Some good bolt manipulation (more of this demonstrated at the end, no need to rewind).

00:06:45
How sneaking and shooting is only a very smart part of the snipers job.

00:08:30
How snipers kill a lot of people with information

00:11:00
Talking about operating in a non-permissive environment where you cannot hide and you will get attacked no matter what you do.

00:15:00
Talkin about the fairly liberal ROE , rules of engagement (legal requirement to shoot people), back in the days (ROE that opened for shooting people with digging tools... in a country with irrigation farming...)

00:16:50
Recounting a sniper operation and the weight that needed to be carried.

00:23:00
Talking about advances in sniper technology

00:27:30
Explaining how the core fundamentals/ basic makes up for lacking equipment, how training and the shooter is most important

00:30:00
The need of installing reality in the training

00:32:30
Talking about precision shooting, rapid shooting, scenarios and danger space

00:34:45
Talking about what someone wanting to be a sniper must be prepared for, in short a huge mental burden and having adequate physical ability.

00:38:00
New chapter, the law enforcement sniper

00:38:55
The fundamentals of marksmanship

00:39:45
How law enforcement might need to shoot through media

00:41:50
How shot placement is critical to law enforcement, surgical shooting

00:44:00
New chapter Military semi auto weapons

00:46:00
Presenting the Barret M82 50 cal rifle

00:46:50
Presenting the norwegian Raufoss 50 cal ammunition

00:49:40
Criticizing Barret Accuracy, how it is not capable of MOA but 2-3 MOA
(Well, there are different versions of the barret semi auto.)

00:51:23
Presenting the MKR SPR 5.56 rifle, special purpose rifle

00:54:05
Presenting the M110 SASS 7.62 rifle, supressed rifle and how effective that can be, how it is almost impossible to locate such a shooter

00:56:00
"Semi auto rifles now blossom with the precision rifle society..."

00:57:00
New chapter, data books
How it is a journal or diary for shooting, logs data you see as pertinent.
How ballistic solvers/programs have made logbooks not as important as before.

00:58:20
Talks about ballistic computers

00:58:40
Sales pitch for the Magpul dynamics logbook

01:01:30
How to fill in a standard data page in the Magpul logbook
The difference between calling a shot and plotting a shot

01:04:50
the shooting diary page

01:06:10
Shows a closeup of how called/plotted shot is logged

01:06:28
Keeping track of rounds through the barrel

01:08:25
Sales pitch end

01:08:58
New chapter dialing & scope calibration
Very easy for shooters to get mixed up which way they dial the scope

01:09:20
How scopes adjusts with an angular measure, mostly MOA or MIL

01:10:20
A good sketch of MOA and MIL

01:10:33
Explaining the simplicity of the MIL system (but not driving the point home hard enough perhaps)

01:11:30
Talks about how some scope mixes MOA and MIL. Can very easily confuse shooters.

01:12:06
1 MIL = 3.438 MOA

01:13:50
Drill for adjusting "badly built" scopes, with right hand "push" to make bullet go left and "pull" to make bullet go left.
"An easy way to remember which way to spin the turret"
(with a "properly" built scope you use the turret like you would your car, turn right to go right, left to go left...)

01:15:20
Shooting tactic for gusting wind, dialling for elevation and holding for wind

01:16:05
New chapter Max point blank range
How to eliminate dialing turrets and using trajectory for danger space/ killing window

(Here the two instructors have opposite views, Todd says this stuff "isn't fast enough" but actually it is WAY faster done properly)

01:17:45
How this can be applied for a hunter

01:18:00
Using a ballistic computer for max point blank range

01:18:47
Talking about danger space

01:22:25
New chapter, range estimation
Laser is by far the best option. Reticles can be used successfully if used with an awareness of limitations and
if one considers danger space/trajectory/killing window.

01:23:16
Talking about capabilities and limitations. Target size must be known but isn't always the same.

01:24:40
The TMR reticle, using it as a tape measure.
(Again the laborous mildot solution formula and multiplying with 27,77. How does one do that??? Use proper units of measure for the MIL system)

01:25:00
The difference between 1st and 2nd focal plane.

01:26:00
Limitations of ranging, target size must be known

01:29:00
Using reticles for animal trophy assessment

01:30:00
New chapter, the Milling Excercise
Very good demonstration of how to use MIL reticles for range estimation.

01:33:40
Specifying different requirements when using the scope for range estimations vs followup shots.

01:35:30
Showing how to correctly get a solid ranging position.

01:37:14
Demonstrating the benefits of a modern mildot.

(In the shown example, the proper use of the mil formula would be (I'll just assume target widt 475mm, standard military chest)
475:1 = 475 meter range w old fashioned mildot
475:1.1= just over 430 meters w modern mildot (exact range 432-3 meters)
These numbers can be run in the head. No 27,77 or 2,54 anywhere in this formula - use correct units of measure dammit!)

01:41:11
Uses the Horus ATRAG to get the range solution from the milling
(you would need a calculator when using the wrong units of measure for the mil formula...)

01:41:55
New chapter, natural point of aim and respiratory pulse.
(Just view this chapter and make natural point of aim your religion)

01:47:01
Getting into natural point of aim position

01:48:33
Pushing with the toes

01:50:50
Breathing cycles
(if time permits)

01:53:45
Natural point of aim drill

02:01:05
The end

02:01:20
Rapid bolt manipulation demonstration
(This kind of shooting is actually a national sport in Norway. Headshots about 250 meters from prone unsupported position.
A video of a local match here

Not to step on the shooters portrayed, but what you see in this video is considered normal, good match shooting here)

Reload demonstration

02:05:39
The end-end

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To sum it up
This third DVD makes a buy worth it. It offers interesting and down to earth insight as well as to-the-point instruction.
I'm being very cruel here, but I reckon the difference between bubble boy and the professional is palpable for those that view it.
I find the absense of gear talk and focus on the training very good.
Very good instructions in DVD no 3 and you will build a solid fundament for LR shooting by adhering to the natural point of aim
principle shown.
I do wish however that Americans would fully grasp the MIL formulas and don't mix in wrong units of measure.

That is some impressive shooting! barrels must get dam hot

Not really, it's only 10-20 shots they get off in the time window allowed.

Review

Magpul Art of the Precision rifle DVD 4

The gear DVD. They talk gear and sell products.

00:00:16
The bolt rifle.

00:34:00
Semi auto rifles

00:43:15
Acillary gear

00:48:45
Rifle optics

01:11:30
Muzzle accessories

01:20:50
Support equipment

01:37:20

The end

In the carbine DVDs they were pretty careful to not really name products or manufacturers, obviously not so here

Review

Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle DVD 5

The DVD where Todd Hodnett demonstrate unconventional shooting position. The part where they show mirage at the end is very good!

HOUR:MINUTE:SECOND

00:00:24
New chapter, Unconventional positions

00:00:56
Talks about having multiple points of contact

00:01:06
How you need to have a position stable enough to see your impact

00:01:12
Position sitting with bipod

00:02:40
Adding a rear bag to the position

00:04:06
Adding shooting sticks to the position

00:05:25
Adding a backpack to the position

00:06:09
Grabbing the bipod with the hand

00:07:50
Not holding to heavy and disturbing the position

00:08:45
Replacing the aforementioned backpack with a partner for support

00:09:38
New position with shooting sticks, camming with the shooting sticks

00:14:49
New position, camera tripod with picatinny adapter

00:23:22
New position, side-prone. This is a sitting/prone position with the rifle turned over to its' side.

00:26:30
How to get a zero/ sight displacement in the side-prone position

00:31:45
New chapter, long range trajectory
Explains how the angle of attack (the angle the bullet falls) is only 1,5 to 2 degrees (at 835 meters in this example)

00:34:55
Showing the angle of attack with a string and 2 lined up targets punched by the same bullet.

00:37:43
Doing trajectory math with help from the Horus ATRAG

00:40:45
Talks about how the angle of attach is not as steep as most people think

00:42:00
Calculating maximum ordonance which is how high the bullet flies over line of sight

00:43:50
Mentions diffent windspeeds at diffenet altitudes
(This is called gradient wind for those wanting to google more on the subject)

00:44:50
How spotters needs to know a little about angle of attack and maximum ordnance.

00:46:46
The Tremor reticle. Todd Hodnett explains his own reticle design
(he is unneccesarily complex in the explanations of wind holds, probably relates to how he is unneccessarily complex in his
"accuracy 1st wind formula)

00:50:45
How to fit the Tremor reticle to all calibres.

00:52:20
Talks of how the Tremor reticle is a mil scale.

00:53:15
Talks about the realtion between Bc and wind in the math formula equations
(... and the math formula equations are unneccisarily complex)

00:55:19
New chapter, Cleaning
Talks about how to clean the gun. Not removing copper, but carbon.
(A special take on cleaning)

00:59:10
Storing the gun

01:00:40
New chapter, Raising the bar
Talks about longrange hunting ethics and "paying your dues" through training.

01:02:55
Recommends the Bryan Litz "Applied Ballistics" book

01:06:07
New chapter, the crew having fun and showing bloopers

01:08:50
New chapter, The Whiz Wheel
Showing an accuracy first product. It is a range card put into a flight computation wheel

01:14:00
New chapter, Mirage
Showing various mirage and what wind speeds they equals.
(Very good, should have been a LOT MORE hard facts presented like this in the series)

01:15:26
New chapter, Accuracy 1st wind formula
(Unneccessarily complicated and nothing proprietary. Use the correct format (meters pr second) and you'll eliminate all the dividing.
Just put your ballistic computer wind input to 1 meter per second and the wind factor will be glaring at you.
The formula is then reduced to WIND FACTOR X WIND = CLICK CORRECTION//MIL HOLD.
Basic Swedish method...)

01:16:46
New chapter, the MIL relation formula
(I've said it before, Americans do not FULLY grasp the MIL concept.
Work in the correct units of measure, millimeters.
Don't understand millimeters? It is just a number with a name, you don't need to understand it.
Just learn the target size number as you do with inches or feet or yards but call that number millimeters instead.
Formula is then:
TARGET SIZE : MIL = RANGE METERS)

Having watched the first disc only:


Lots of stuff that is of questionable realism (staged for the show at a guess)

Hodnett waffles and is grating to listen to

Seems to be a bit of justifying their own opinions/things they're selling without honestly stating reasons why other methods/gear aren't good... bit about ballistic reticles for example, saying they don't work, also the crap about QD scope mounts. "removed it, replaced it, fired a shot, repeated 100 times, got a less than 1MOA group". That's basically straight-out made-up. I've got Larue mounts and they don't work that well in my experience and NO test I have seen online, of Larue or other well-regarded brands, demonstrated that sort of repeatability. Also their justification for why you MUST have a larue mount was basically "YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THESE BECAUSE OF ALL THESE TIMES THAT YOU'LL NEED TO REMOVE YOUR SCOPE SUCH AS... UM... MOVING ON NOW" They also totally ignore the downsides of those mounts ie that they raise your scope like 4" over the bore on a boltaction, and are heavy, and cost $200US+.

Also there's little shit like Hodnett calling corrections of "4 clicks up 1.6 left" meaning 1.6 mils left, that's only going to confuse the shooter mixing units like that, in addition to the mil stuff Thomas has already explained

Some good info if you ignore the half-hour of blahblahblah around each bit.

I'm finding it hard work to watch compared to the carbine vids, probably being a bit critical.

You gonna do a review on the Magpul Tacticool Carbine vids Norway?

Im watching this at the moment and Iv gota say its pretty good. theres a bit of wank wank like is said above, and their calculations are really difficult when there swapping between Km m yards inches moa mill all the time. My turn for a winge about them needing to learn metric.
Id like to see the simplified calculations that you talk about Norway.
Its a great introduction for me to the Mil dot system, which I have till now not understood the practice use of for measuring and windage to sure up good old kentucky windage, and correct after first shot misses.
also has some awesome info on how to use your scope as a measuring tool that I will be able to practicly use, no matter what the reticle

It has also made me decide that I need a PDA. and a scope bubble and a S&B scope.

Does the tactical carbine 3 dvd set offer anything to anyone who shoots a bolt hunting gun?

If your bolt hunting gun has an angled fore-grip, tactical rails and clear-windowed Pmags, then yes it will

Seriously though, the Magpul vids are more for security/LEO/PMC, though if you are a 3 gun competitor you may take away a few bits and pieces from it.