Anyone know if we still get Norinco 7.62x39mm ammo here in NZ and if not why?. It was cheap a bit dirty but reliable.
Printable View
Anyone know if we still get Norinco 7.62x39mm ammo here in NZ and if not why?. It was cheap a bit dirty but reliable.
Seems any cheap 7.62 x 39 is hard to come by.
No one seems to stock Barnual any more either.
Sent from my SM-G388F using Tapatalk
Russianz for Barnaul
Aoraki Ammo for Romanian military surplus 1320 rds for $499
Has the scarcity to do with western sanctions against Russia?
Well Norinco is Chinese ammo, there was something political back when the AK`s and SKS`s were stopped if I remember correctly and the cases of ammo seemed to disappear. There used to be ex military Chinese ammo in tins as well at about 14 cents a shot while the Norinco was $25 per 100 rds...….. Yes I`m showing my age, but now I`m getting low on the Norinco stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
I have had trouble obtaining Katod Gen3 night vision tubes because they are Russian made and the sanctions have caused issues. My supplier tells me the high spec ones they can source but the mid range stuff is sporadic.
Last time I was in Kelly Country (Brightwater near Nelson) they had a stack of Barnaul 7.62x39
Yeah I remember those wooden crates of Chinese 7.62 steel FMJ $200 for 1440 rounds.
Norinco yellow box .223 brass case FMJ was a good round with 5.56 performance but don't see it anymore either.
NZ obviously has a good trade relationship with China...why wouldn't we get their ammo?
All a bit dumb really. This Govt. got pushed into sanctions by the Brits (though to give them credit, they initially refused)...and the whole world knows that Putin wouldnt leave an obvious calling-card.. to quote the man himself; "If it was our Novichock, they'd both be dead instantly". Russian tractor-parts are problematic also... I think they're all just pissed, because Russia has produced a cool retro electric-car---that also goes further than all theirs, and would be cheaper...and I'm sure you could get a boot-load of 7.62x39 thrown-in if we made it clear ,that it was the deal-breaker....I'll ph Jacinda and see if she can hook it up..
My point exactly, we have the Norinco guns coming in but not the Ammo. Perhaps someone from say Gun City could explain the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
Less to do with sanctions and more to do with Russian and Chinese ammunition and other assorted munitions being sent to the Middle East instead.
Also 7.92x39 it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Chased up the issue this week with Guncity and double checked it with an importer. Confirmed its entirely the sanctions on Russia at present, its happened before and they eventually loosen up. Sooner it happens the better!
Barnaul .223 62gr ammo is the business, really accurate during my use. Will miss that when it runs out!
LoL, because the sanctions have been so effective. Refer pages 18, 19, 20:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin
http://www.conflictarm.com/download-...8&file_id=2574
Russian made guns and ammo are commonly found in the hands of ISIL in Syria, as Syria and Russia/Soviets have been allies for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
You're missing the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Funny how no one wants to slap an embargo on the Chinese
That's cos the Chinese seem to be the only one around here with money and they build a lot of our stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Sent from my TA-1024 using Tapatalk
Chinese are the only people with money because we give them both our money and our ability to make money. An emgargo on China might just help a lot of countries out.
You'd think they'd at least start shipping is some ammo as well as everything else.Sent from my SM-G388F using TapatalkQuote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
I don't disagree. Cutting costs and maximising profits at the expense of western people has given them far more power than is prudent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Sent from my TA-1024 using Tapatalk
Enough of getting close to politics. What 7.62 x 39's do you have? Do they shoot good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
I have a mini 30 thats good but fussy on ammo, a Norinco bolt thats a good shooter so long as it doesnt get hot and a chi-com still in the grease apocalypse $299 SKS that I havent shot yet.
Sent from my SM-G388F using Tapatalk
Not really politics imo but anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Not yet. Prob an SKS cos they're cheap.
Sent from my TA-1024 using Tapatalk
I wouldn't mind a howa or ruger 'mUrIcAn in that cal but too many bills this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
Sent from my SM-G388F using Tapatalk
I still have a stack of PMC Bronze in 7.62x39 I have been trying to move on. Its not as cheap as Barnaul or some of the other stuff you have mentioned but its FMJ and I was only after a buck a round for it. Most places I have looked up online seem to be selling brass cased stuff for at least 24 bucks a box. I got sick of chasing brass around so I brought an Aoraki ammo crate too. Just been trying to move on this other stuff with out much luck. Its just standard PMC Bronze stuff, brass cased and 123 grain. Would trade for milsurp 7.62x54R as well :-) Finding that stuff around is hard too!
Couldn't they get it out through Vladivostok?Quote:
Originally Posted by GDMP
Sent from my SM-G388F using Tapatalk
seen a heap of the yellow box x39 somewhere for sale recently....possible trademe....the 2 boxes of it we used were great on wallabies .if you ever see it in .223 grab ALL you can get as it is simply awesome on game.
Have they finished or started lambing down your way yet? May look at knocking some Wally`s over in a couple of weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
So the original question was about Norinco ammo. The sanctions affect Russian products yes but as far as I understand we have no sanctions against China and that's where the North China Industry Co arms manufacturers are. It`s where the Norinco rifles JW15 , SKS, HM90 and the others all come from and they make the ammo for them. So why can we get the guns but not what they feed on.
Hopefully Barnualnz starts getting it in while the UK has its tantrum.
I was going to import some norinco ammo a few years back-even visited the factory, but the min order numbers and shipping issues just made it unpractical. was going to cost more to get it from the factory to the boat than to buy the ammo, then finding a dg ship that was coming strait to NZ without going via OZ did my head in.
End of the day its there to import if someone has the cash but the NZ market is just to small for it to be cost effective V barnall etc when I looked into it- that may be different now
Tasbay...lambs all over the show but that doesnt effect public /Doc controlled land.
Have people here hit Russianz up for 7.62x39 and come up dry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Konev
the supply onshore wont last forever :\
He still has some I just got 2000 last month .Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Headroom
I read years ago that Norinco ammo can't get here without going through Australia first, and the Australians won't let it dock their?
Ok so the Norinco Ammo is out. What is the Romanian Milsurp stuff from Aoraki Ammo like? May have got my mitts on a case.
I used to deal with these guys, they always had sheeeeeit loads of 7.62x39 and deal directly with Kalashnikov, Just wondering if anyone has tried them, or are they also out completely? id be very surprised. BARNAUL - Home
NZ regularly imports ammo from overseas in shipping containers, both for sporting use and our military. Its routine. There is no restriction on their movement, and you don't need special "DG ships" either. Normal haz things apply only, as to separation on ships and licensed carriers (trucks -that's most of them) with standard DG paperwork. I doubt that Australian ports dont let them call there, they are in the business or working ships, and no one cares if the containers are staying on board the ship and going to NZ - if its not coming off the ship there, then its not entering Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Put it this way, I have heard the same argument from people about ADI powders not getting through to the USA, because NZ ports wont let them dock there on the way - which is rubbish.
I could check with Australia there is some fascist sanction that the Aussies have against the Chinese ammo transiting their ports, you know what they are like about hating Asians. But in any event I could come up with a number of way getting a container here that doesn't need to call in Australia on the way from China.
There is no special sea transport reason why you couldn't import a container of ammunition into NZ from China. If anyone wants to buy a container load from Norinco, I will help you organise the shipping.
A cursory look through the Dept of Foreign Affairs does not indicate that military rifle ammunition is on their strategic good list so without considering it further it may only be a matter of getting a normal import permit.
I might investigate this matter just for the hell of it. (Of course as soon as I ask a question about Chinese ammunition, I will never get a visa for the US ever again.)
I do wounder how much is excuses by the small number who do import ammo to keep supplies down. A flood of cheap norinco wont be popular with established importers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway