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For those that shoot pistols for IPSC, what are you using and why.
Thing I'm interested in hearing:
What gun, class and what power factor you running?
What belts, holsters and mag holders?
Lastly, whats it cost you in hardware(not ammo and reloading etc)
Thanks.
I started in Std Class 20 years ago with Para .40 S&W, traded up to a new and custom built STI 2011 in same calibre and still Std Class. Then moved from Std class to Open with a new and also custom built STI 2011. Now I sold everything and shoot a Tanfogilio IPSC model .45 1911 in Classic Division. Holster is / always CR Speed. Total Cost incl Belts, Holsters, etc etc, no idea and never added em up. Gun costs Original Para was $2K, STI Std Gun was I think 4-5K and Open gun was over 6K. Not included are the costs of my shotty and Ar(s) for 3 gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
My .45 is also for sale currently as I have lost the motivation and this most likely will be the last year I keep my "B"
I have never owned anything other than 1911 type guns. JMB designed the best so why use anything else!!
Thanks - I've seen you 45 on the website. Sounds like a great package deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
How did you find the double stack STI compared to the singles?
i have just started out , and bought a glock 17 , a gsg.22 (1911 style) and a sig 226 9mm .... also will get the nea ar15 .... pistols were cheap , $999 for the glk $699 for the gsg.22 and $1500 for the sig ... belts , mag holders and holster , around 3 hundy , or slightly more ....
Have a CZ SP01 Shadow in 9mm, Production class. Picked it because I've done a lot of rifle target shooting (still do) and trigger control is important to me. Mentally I found I was muscling the pistol when shooting a Glock. It's just personal preference, I like the 2lb trigger it has. Cost was @$1300
Holster is a BladeTech, holds the CZ firmly and nicely. I've also shot with a Double Alpha Race Master holster, which takes some getting used to. If you're starting off for the 1st time, the BladeTech one is good, firm, solid. Cost was @$200 ??
Belt and mag holders are Double Alpha - 4 mag holders and 1 magnetic which is my at 1st position. Cost was @$200 ???
Picked all of the above from Chris at New Zealand Travel ~ New Zealand Tourism ~ NZ Information and Chris was great in holding the CZ till my B and then P2P came through. While he had it, he even cleaned it after I shot it ! Nice man :-)
I shoot Production because it is a cheap entry level, although as I get older and my eyesight goes to crap I'll probably migrate to Open with a C-More like many people do. There's loads of new shooters to compete against which is good for an entry level shooter - there's nothing more demoralising than thinking you're doing good and getting smashed by someone who has been shooting for 20 years - and being 9mm, it's cheap and easy to reload on my Dillon Square Deal.
Grr, that's Competition Guns from Chris. Bloody forum won't allow me to edit the post :pissed off:
My grips were thinned on the STI's so not much different really and a 1911 platform is a 1911 platform so all controls where they should be. I am not a big fan of the newer "striker fired" guns. But its what you are used too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I use a CZ SP-01 Shadow in production division. When I was in the market, I fired a CZ and a glock side by side. The CZ was much more suited to my grip, and I shot a hell of a lot better with it. I paid $1600 (which was probably too much but I wanted it).
Just starting to reload for it now I have collected enough brass. My current load is 135 power factor (4.3gr AP70N with 124gr CMJ) but will be tuning a load down to 130pf in the near future.
As for gear - I use a CR Speed WSM II holster,3 (soon to be 4) CR Versa pod pouches, and a CR speed belt. I think all up this cost $500 ish. I have also just put a DAA magnet in my first position for mag pickup stages.
On order I have 4 Mecgar 19round magazines to keep as match mags. I will continue to use my factory ones for practice. In the long run I will get another 4 mecgar mags for practice as well.
Pistol shooting really seems to be one of those sports where if you think you cant afford it, you probably cant. The ongoing cost with reloading ammo (think 200+ rounds per range visit) makes it somewhat pricey. Especially if you want to do well in competitions = lots of rounds down range.
Currently looking at some of the Tanfoglio range, the Stock 3 seems nice(the Limited Custom even better). Cost a little more(around $2200 with 5 mags) than the Shadow, and a heap more than the Glock. They do appear pretty nice, but need to find someone with one to try, otherwise the shadow could be a good option. The CZ Tactical Sport looks nice, but again would want to put some rounds through one first, and same price as the Stock 3.
Have fired a few Springfield XD's and they didn't feel quite right, the same with S&W M&P's - these while all in 40S&W. Even the H&K USP I've used was nice, but not nice enough to buy. Yet to use a Glock and not holding my breath that it's the right answer, maybe a starter though due to price.
If 1911, the Witness or Para seem to be the right direction.
Weather it is rifle, shotgun or pistol, you need to feed them something. On going costs are just a part of most sports(particularly shooting sports). I did shoot clay's every weekend for a few years and the feeding cost are not to much different. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm getting myself into(the wife might to be quite sure yet).
Thanks all for the info so far.
Keep an eye on TradingPost at PNZ too ;)
I have big hands and a healthy respect for the late great John Moses Browning and his fabulous 1911 design too so I went straight to Para 1445's. I bought two of them, one was a Limited with the ambi safety which I added a mag well flare to and kept as standard class. The other I milled down the rear of the slide and fitted a C-more STS, compensator and mag well flare which I ran in open class. My belt rig was all CRSpeed.
I loved the .45, there's no doubt it's making Major and no doubt where the hits are, it's like chucking buckets down range.
I had a squib load in the early days, the second shot in a double tap went up the date of the stuck projectile and bulged the barrel just enough to jamb the slide bushing at the swelling. Both projectiles then left the barrel. I had the bulge turned down and kept that barrel as a spare. If it had been a nine mil or a 38 stupor, it would probably have written off the frame and injured me or the RO.
Double stack 45ACP rocks, all others eat shit and die. Just sayin'.:D
I think I paid 1850 new for the one I made Open, and about 1900 for the Limited.
I miss them...
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@Uplandstalker there's a 2nd hand Tang 9mm for sale via Auckland Pistol Club here. And Kerry is selling his CZ Shadow for $1,250, he mainly does ISSF shooting so it hasn't had a hard life.
My std para was a better gun than my STI mainly cause it held 19+1 and would still easily fit the "box" where my STI was 17+1 and was wedged into tbe "box"
At the std champs one the start position was gun in box, mag in gun but not round in chamber. On signal remove gun from box load chamber and start shooting. There was a lot of cursing by a few of us trying to unwedge gun from box in a hurry
I use a tanfoglio force because it lets me change between 9mm and .22 as i have a 9mm upper
Setup for standard class as its single action
I use a double alpha pdr low ride holster and belt with hoppner and schumann speedmag puches
Had a squib in a Glock 26 do exactly the same.... Just a bulge in the barrel. In South Africa the number on the slide, frame and barrel make up the license. Rather than wait 9 - 12 months for a new license, I just got the importer to get a new barrel with the same serial number in from Austria - problem solved :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ishoot10s
I used a G22 in Standard, Rescomp holster and pouches. Had aftermarket sights, as well as a magwell and Pachmyer grip sleeve, +2 shoes on all the mags - it fit into the box if you squeezed in is sideways, hehe.
Enjoying this thread, I forgotten most of my pistol shooting days with my Dan Wesson .357. Was in Taupo the other weekend on the range but didn't venture into the pistol club that was happening next door, maybe next time:cool:
STI 2011 in 38 super. Open class, Major power factor (175-180 as the gun reacts faster) fitted with a C-More sight.
Robbie Donaldson built it for me.
Its had a lot of parts replaced over the years but after 20 years and about 200k rounds at 175 to 180 power factor that's to be expected.
STI / SVI are the most reliable, strongest pistols around especially when put together by a gunsmith who knows what they are doing.
Speed shooters belt, mag holders and holster. STI / SVI magazines 23 rounder's to 28-29 rounder's. You will need 4 mags min.
Holster, mag holders and holster. About $1000, maybe more.
Magazines $150-300 each depending on capacity and location purchased.
Use to get all my gear from here.
http://www.speedshooter.com/
Pistol.
Second hand around $3200 depending on what its got in it.
New, $5000 and up.
Find yourself a friendly gunsmith as you can get a new one built for under $5K
If you are new getting into it, keep your eye out for second hand gear. A lot of guys sink $5k plus on a pistol them give up shooting and sell for $3k.
Unlike rifles (in particular their barrels), good quality pistols will last ALOT of rounds.
out of the tanfoglio range id have a stock 3 the one that is brought in isnt actually a standard stock 3 anyway its the stock 3 special that was made to order by someone i shoot with and tanfoglio adopted it as the stock 3 special pretty cool eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
also the tanfoglio 1911 is awesome value and run awesome (next on my list )
and fyi ive shot the cz and the tanfoglio and id own the stock 3 all day long machining quality is far far better
The Stock 3 Special is what hayes bring in and look pretty nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakesae101
How common does this happen, the Squib load?Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
The STI's seem to be the higher end for race guns. Price is certainly higher, but every thing I've heard has been positive. Maybe in the future after a couple of years in the game. Definitely not rusting out to get one first up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon
I've looked at purchasing a standard pistol that I could upgrade to open at lower costs than purchasing a race gun outright. It looks like this would certainly be the right direction, especially if the original gun is nice and reliable and feels good to shoot.
Unfortunately a good quality 1911 Std Pistol in 40S&W does not make a good base for an open gun (I looked into this) Mag capacity is less for a startQuote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I'm sure a double stack 40 could work. Maybe Para double, add and comp and dot.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
What I've considered a Tanfoglio Limited in 40S&W or 38Super. Or a CZ Tactical Sport, with the same mods. But this would be something to look at more down the track a bit.
Def the best approach. Chances are though that if you're wanting to upgrade, you'll be wanting to upgrade to something specific rather than replacing bits and pieces - just like rifle shooting - and that way you'll end up with the right tool for the job IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I think it's a risk with home-loads and is equipment or process related. I never had it happen again, after switching to a Dillon 650 press from my old Lee turret. I would guess that I short-charged it, either through spillage or not a full throw of the powder tosser handle. Can't really go wrong with the Dillon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I guess a powder check die with buzzer would be a good prevention measure? I started another thread on Progressive Presses on the Reloading section a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot10s
Had one in Belmont 9mm club ammo a couple of months ago. Also had a couple when first setting up my progressive, Now got a powder check die and things running smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
I had a couple in 45 when I 1st setup for it.
Had a faulty part in the hopper that was causing it to bind.
All fixed and no issues. Do run a powder check on that setup now.
It's pretty obvious when you get one, round sounds REALLY different, and the recoil impulse is different.
I've seen a number of people fire another round after the prior one was obviously under charged.. Without checking the barrel.. I usually move to the other side of the range.
Have loaded over 10k 9mm and never had any issue on that setup
I started out with a Beretta M9 with some cheapie mag pouches. I've upgraded gear as funds allowed, CR speed belt, DAA mag pouches and just upgraded to a S&W M&P in 9mm with warren tactical sights, in a bladetech black ice holster. The gun was $1200, the holster was around $100 when you allow for shipping etc from the states.
The Beretta was enough to get me started in IPSC, and I've done reasonably well with it, but realistically it's got nothing on the CZ shadows and the striker fired guns. The D/A, S/A trigger means you have to get used to two very different trigger pulls and it was too easy to flick the safety on when racking the slide under pressure.
The first choice to make is which division you want to shoot in, I started shooting before leaving school so production was the easy pick. I was only working part time so I didn't have too much money to spare, my full setup, gun, mags belt etc was less than $1500. Wheras for standard or open you'll likely need to front up a bit more to get going.
